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all right we should be live right now

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hello

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everybody welcome back it's been a while

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and i'm just going to check my youtube

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channel

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right now oh

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all right we're definitely on youtube

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[Music]

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that's probably me

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there we go

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i had like three youtubes open

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and uh welcome back michael

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good to be back joe

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i'm glad you're here again you are

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definitely one of my favorite people in

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ufology and we haven't even known each

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other that long

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where do i swipe the card for that

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and we do have somebody and since

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somebody it's rare that people

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call in i am going to go to somebody

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right off the bat and it's henry henry

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where are you calling from where are you

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where are you

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in merrimack new hampshire

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so i know we were talking earlier before

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the show you had a video which i cannot

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find do you have to put it in the chat

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do you have a question for oh you put it

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in the chat i did put it in the chat

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okay while i'm looking

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if you have any other questions from

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michael or myself feel free to i do

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in so the video that really kind of

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strikes and and it's very similar to the

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tic tac is the chilean video right

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have you seen the chilean video from the

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chilean navy that was released several

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years ago

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and it's a tic tac that's releasing a

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gas

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as it's flying there are distortions to

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the north and south of it in the east

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and west of it and i don't know if those

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are gravimetric distortions but have you

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ever seen it have you analyzed or

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anybody analyzed have you heard anything

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about it

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i've seen it and

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it it does not look like a

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like there's a there's a fairly you see

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it in the news a lot when they're doing

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a promo for tucker tucker carlson's some

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ufo segment

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they'll show what is very clearly to me

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a video taken of an airliner from an

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airliner

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is out pretty distant

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and it's giving off its condensation

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in the context of that's a ufo leaving a

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so when i first saw the chilean video i

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i first thought conversation trail but

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the more you look at it

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we're being hacked

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that's really odd

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joe i think it's the mics from everybody

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who's on if they're on and they have

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their volume pretty high

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it's going to feed back in the system

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i think it's yours joe because mine's

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it's going to come across on my laptop

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i'm going to try putting headphones on

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that fixed it

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can you hear me

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i still hear the delay um yeah but

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there's no echo

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thank god holy mackerel

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so so at first i thought that the

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chilean video was um

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an airliner and a condensation trail

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but the closer you look at it i don't

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know what it is but it's not i don't

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think it's an airliner with a

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condensation tray

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yeah i mean if you look at really

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closely and this is what really drives

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me crazy is nobody talks about this

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right if you look at the video

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fairly closely

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don't recall the distortions that's the

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one that has the crosshairs right

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doesn't it include the crosshairs

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no i this one's it off the coast of

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chile and it's about a three or four

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minute video the show shows no back

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shows no ground clutter in the back

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nothing in the ground it's it's it's

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looking it's looking up and out yes it's

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thing they do is they go to they

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uh it's it's it's a strange video but

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guys i'm having a horrible horrible echo

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it's really like impossible to hear

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because everything's doubling up

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you guys having any i'm going to try to

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remove henry right now

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michael i i still hear myself

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and everybody else deleting

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say something else

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joe say something i mean i've already

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i'm still hearing myself talking right

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now from before

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you're not coming across on my speakers

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at all you're coming across only my

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headphones and that cannot be picked up

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i mean i can try uh it's not good let me

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try muting you but

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all right let's see

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it's not you when i meet you it's still

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going on it's it's really difficult and

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i don't really know how to get out of

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this and get back in

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i could ignore the echo but that's

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turn on echo cancellation

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yeah it's already it it's it's already

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i'm hearing myself talk in my ear right

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now so it's like it repeats multiple

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times it's not just a delay

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i don't think i have youtube playing in

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but that's what it does sound like it

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does sound like it's it's youtube

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did you play did you click on henry's

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link is it playing in the background

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no i did not play on henry's link and

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link i have up just in case but

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there's nothing else there is no youtube

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best laid plans

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i hope that might be it

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we're good it was my fault it was all my

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fault i'm bringing henry back in go

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ahead henry i'm sorry that was operator

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uh no not a problem that was the

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chilean video i noticed that there are

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the same type of distortion on the video

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that was recently put out

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san diego sphere that has three antenna

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doesn't it it does it does and i think

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isn't that the one leslie kane was

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promoting for a long time i really

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a jet i could be wrong

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well there's a i'm just posting it in

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what his conclusions were um

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i can remember how to spell mcavee

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so it ought to be pretty you know he's

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i can see the distortions that uh henry

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earlier in the video i would like to see

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the video that henry's talking about

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off of san diego but we were not able to

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it's in the chat you put it in the chat

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yeah it was in the youtube chat

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no the private chat

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proposed bills and the senate in the

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house the house is out the house is much

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i won't go through everything basically

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they're calling we get rid of the uap

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task force and make it a permitted

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procedures synchronizing standardized

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adversarial governments evaluating the

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threat which is interesting because you

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threat blue book is no threat so they're

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actually at least talking about that

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one of the bigger things in there where

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it wasn't they didn't say crash

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the exact wording here it is any update

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they want updates on any efforts

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understanding

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on the ability to capture or exploit

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discovered uap and i remember when lou

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inferring that's related to crash

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retrieval so what's your overall thought

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where we're heading where we're going

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right now as far as did you did you

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think we'd even get this far right now

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and i know it's not finalized

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promising i'm i'm encouraged by it

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uh

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you know it's

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it reminds me of the initial language

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that was

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drafted

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during the trump administration and then

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we saw how that got

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how that morphed into a product

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what a six page report

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that was pretty thin uh

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last june

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so the

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the overall language survived but what i

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see in this one um i think it's probably

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no secret that chris mellon

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has been instrumental in

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providing language to the senate

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and the house staffers

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on what to include and what what

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directions to take he probably

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wouldn't surprise me if he's had

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discussions about staffing

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and

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i think you know right now it's just

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language right and it's probably going

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to morph into something more finalized

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um

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we saw how

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kathleen hicks

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at the pentagon level

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turned

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the uap report

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into actionable

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uh directives

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okay but i think it's been recognized

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and everybody you know melon and lou

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elizondo and others have talked about

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the lack of

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administrative and or leadership

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horsepower that the task force had

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i think they even went so far as to say

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that there was uh

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perhaps only as high as a gs15

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so if people aren't familiar with the

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government

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pay or ranking structure you you know

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you

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typically somebody starting out might be

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you know out of college might be uh well

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i know this for because my son started

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out

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as a gs7

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and he was in a program to get to gs 12

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after four years it was an internship

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um

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but gs 12 13 you really start getting

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into the sort of the upper levels of the

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gs layer at gs14 and 15.

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and so if elizondo and melon were saying

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that

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the task force was only at a gs 15 level

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and i've been i've gotten confused

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reading about it lately because it seems

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to be maybe it was a ses

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senior executive service which is next

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level up

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above gs

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which is better so ses

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would be like equivalent to a flag rank

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officer

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and

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when you're lobbying

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when you uh within an agency or or an

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organization within the intelligence or

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defense community

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when you're advocating for a program or

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running a program

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you really need to fight for budgetary

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dollars right

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so if you're only a gs 15 you're like a

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department head

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and i'm talking about

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let's say you're a fire department head

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right uh you've got the the guy that's

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in charge of the hook and ladder and

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you've got the guy that's in charge of

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personnel

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that kind of department head

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but if you've got somebody that's

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directorate level

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with inside an agency agencies are

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usually divided up into chief

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you know maybe for second or imagery

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intelligence or some other kind of

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intelligence the directorate level is

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where you start getting into these

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senior executive service people ses

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and they are at some level they are they

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begin to become equivalent with

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your elected leaders in congress

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so the point is

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the language is fine and what it morphs

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into it's going to morph into

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but what i think is important to watch

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is

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the organization

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and then how much

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um

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horsepower

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and how much coordination

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does the does the effort get

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from across the dod

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and the ic

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so for example

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if you have like major satellite

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programs

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the dni

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has what's called the community

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management staff

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and these are staff members that are

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helping the machine run

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okay

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and there

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then you have your advisory boards on

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intelligence and

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you have your collection management

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authorities that are racking and

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stacking targets and how they get

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processed and based on priority

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so if this effort ends up based on the

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language

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getting enough attention that it gets

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really senior leadership appointed as as

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its head

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and they get

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direction from

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dod

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uh or from dni that there shall be using

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shall statements those are those are

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actual statements

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where they're directing

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agencies and organizations

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to

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cooperate and collaborate with them and

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i think the language already includes

429
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the the report types and their

430
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frequencies that they expect right

431
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um

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it's something greater than 100 than

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every 180 days if i remember correctly

434
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so if this if it gets staffed well if

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you go back and listen to

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chris mellon's um

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appearance on joe rogan

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he sort of was asked you know if this if

439
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you were king for a day

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how would you set it up and he laid it

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all out uh very logically

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and it all made

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perfect sense

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if that happens

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then i think we'll all be

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high-fiving about it

447
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but if it ends up getting

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you know like a navy commander or an air

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colonel or something head of this office

450
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and they don't have broad cooperation

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and collaboration then

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i wouldn't say that it would die on the

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vine but

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it's also going to take over on the

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legislative side it's going to take

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members of the house and senate

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being involved being interested

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attending the briefings because these

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guys from the ic and the dod

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they're briefing on the hill all the

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time

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but if you talk to the people

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that give these briefings

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so many times

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these jokers aren't even showing up for

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them

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they might send a staffer

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but there's no such thing as like a

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hundred percent attendance

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and you would think a topic of this

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nature

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would get a full house

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but we'll see

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so it's just really

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you know they

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we used to talk about it a lot programs

477
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live and die based on their advocacy

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within the community

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so if this program

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once it gets established

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gets really strong advocacy within the

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dod within the ic

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and from the hill

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then um

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and and people keep pushing the public

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keeps pushing

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and writing their elected leadership and

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asking them questions

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keep them interested keep the keep their

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feet to the fire and there's a lot of

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promise here

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i am going to go to a question and and

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we'll i want to get back to that i want

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to get back to open hearings because

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people were predicting open hearings but

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chris my friend chris wolford has a

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question

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what are your thoughts on lou elizondo

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what has he done

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on what lou has done along with melon

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which we kind of answered and those guys

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i don't think we'd be here without both

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of them and also your overall thoughts

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on experiences

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thank you thank you chris

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yeah thanks chris good question uh i've

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met lou i didn't meet chris

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um lou is the same person today when i

509
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watch him

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on television or on youtube or whatever

511
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as as he was in real life

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he's very sincere he comes across that

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way and you know we've all met people

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over our lives lifetimes where

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you come away from meeting somebody and

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you you know it's maybe sketchy you're

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not really and then we've all been

518
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fooled

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but i

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i i came away

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um

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with a very strong impression of lou

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having his heart in the right place he's

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very energetic

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um with this topic

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um very devoted to it

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he knows what he has seen

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he knows that there's more out there

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and he and uh and i think safe to say

530
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now because he's basically said it i

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mean he told me

532
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you know that there are um

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there's evidence that they have that

534
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would just blow your socks off

535
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very close up very high definition

536
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videos and and photographs

537
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i like what he's done

538
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whether he's with ttsa or out is more

539
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as an independent kind of working with

540
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melon and others in the background

541
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chris mellon i think is uh

542
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so i come from the naval cryptologic

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community and what that means is um

544
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mostly

545
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,360
yeah yeah go to your background a little

546
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,640
bit because a lot of people may not know

547
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,080
who the heck you are

548
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:18,559
so so it's the navy cryptologic

549
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community um

550
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is uh very closely tied to the national

551
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security agency and i'm

552
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,039
close personal friends with a lot of

553
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,640
senior navy

554
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retired

555
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cryptologic

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officers

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and

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to a

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00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:41,919
person uh almost none of them none of

560
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them were piping up about any of this

561
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anything related to this topic

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up till about

563
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i don't know what just six months ago

564
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and i had commented to you

565
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how i'm on an email distro and that has

566
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i think it's like 162 of these people in

567
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retirement

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um

569
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:04,400
ufos were in the news a lot over the

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last year and there wasn't a peep

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until

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melon became more prominent in the news

573
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and it was amazing

574
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,960
these people coming out of the woodwork

575
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,360
it's not often when these these emails

576
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come out every day it's a broad distro

577
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,039
about 160 something people

578
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,600
covering a range of unclassified

579
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,559
versions of classified news

580
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:30,240
you

581
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,159
any follow-up emails on any of these

582
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,360
topics

583
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,320
uh maybe one or two a week but

584
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,559
about the time melon

585
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,520
uh and elizondo started hitting fox news

586
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,000
and cnn and the other outlets

587
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,679
especially melon

588
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,559
melon is is remembered

589
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,799
by so many of these guys

590
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,360
he is very highly respected

591
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,919
his reputation is pure gold

592
00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:00,480
in the dod and the ic

593
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,520
uh

594
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,279
i forget which administration i guess it

595
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,720
was the bush administration under which

596
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,400
he was appointed

597
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,440
but

598
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,600
he he did not play either side of the

599
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:11,200
fence

600
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:11,919
he

601
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,440
very very well

602
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,200
i have not heard a single negative thing

603
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,400
about him

604
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:21,200
and when you listen to him speak

605
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,640
he uh his command of the english

606
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:24,880
language that's one thing

607
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,320
but his command of legislative speak of

608
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,320
programmatic speak

609
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,600
he talks in terms of budgetary dollars

610
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,320
and

611
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,919
outcome

612
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,279
based uh

613
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:39,919
results you know and initiatives

614
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,880
that have a firm underpinning

615
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,600
of hard data and science

616
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:46,720
he

617
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,760
organization or a company or an effort

618
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,600
of any kind

619
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,200
and he

620
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,520
i would love to be a fly on the wall in

621
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,279
his office listening to him because

622
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,039
apparently he he works pretty closely

623
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,640
with these

624
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,000
people that are on what i call the

625
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,520
what's called the community management

626
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:12,720
staff

627
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,640
and the in the uh house

628
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:20,960
representative staffers

629
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,720
and so it's not like he's got the ear of

630
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,320
individual discreet senators and

631
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,600
congressmen every day because they don't

632
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,880
have time to take phone calls from

633
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,120
citizens like chris mellon even

634
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,880
but he's got the ears of their people

635
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,000
that they listen to which are their

636
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:35,600
staffers

637
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,400
so

638
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,919
i think what he's doing is immensely

639
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,080
important

640
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,000
i think he's played that role

641
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,919
exceedingly well

642
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,919
and i don't think we would be nearly as

643
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,559
far down this path i i would bet you

644
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,120
know my phrase i'd bet my house

645
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,720
that he wrote half of this language we

646
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,240
see in this bill i was just going to say

647
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,600
that looking at it it's just like when

648
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:58,000
you read his previous works it's in

649
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,279
there i mean

650
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,640
he probably wrote most of it

651
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,159
and that's why when people are like why

652
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,240
now it's because because of melon and

653
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,480
elizondo i mean because tom de long gave

654
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,640
and i say it all the time the long gave

655
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,880
elizondo place where he can go he was

656
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,720
frustrated and just timing worked out i

657
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,480
don't you know i've gone back and forth

658
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,159
you know maybe it's because the uptick

659
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,320
uptick in sightings and you know people

660
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,600
are like we need to start getting the

661
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,760
truth out i don't think so i think it's

662
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,679
elizondo melon and the people behind the

663
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,440
scenes who lou has not spoken about

664
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:29,039
because they don't want to come out yet

665
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,000
um

666
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,960
the last part of chris's

667
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,960
question was your overall take on

668
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:36,559
experiencers

669
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,400
yeah i i have to admit that um

670
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,559
i think i've told you this before joe

671
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,799
so in 92 when i had my siding it was in

672
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:46,799
the i was in the navy i was on a navy

673
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,400
ship i was in a hot area of the world

674
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,559
and the last thing i

675
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,880
had on my mind or wanted to even clutter

676
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,120
my mind with was anything approaching

677
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,960
what we sometimes hear referred to as

678
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,039
the woo factor right

679
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,559
um

680
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,080
it was always just a little too much for

681
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,840
me now i have to admit

682
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,440
sometime around the time the book came

683
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,919
out um that was at least my

684
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,880
understanding i did read years ago

685
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,720
um

686
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,799
communion

687
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,440
uh i think i read that

688
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:20,799
what year was that published that would

689
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,240
help me get a bearing on 85 or 86 i

690
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:26,559
think i'll make sure though

691
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,720
so it was definitely before the gulf war

692
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,440
in 1991

693
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,720
at some point after i was married

694
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,520
in 89 and

695
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,440
fly i remember reading the book on an

696
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,880
airplane either on the way to the

697
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,399
persian gulf or on the way home it was

698
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,279
probably on one of my trips over

699
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:50,399
uh and that book stuck with me

700
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,760
so i've always sort of um

701
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:55,279
you know i i did

702
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,669
i'm fortunate to have been

703
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,760
sort of schooled if you will in the in

704
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,960
the in the trade of um

705
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:09,039
measuring information quality evaluating

706
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,159
information

707
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:13,279
forth

708
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,480
so when i read that book you're right

709
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,919
there's a grain of salt in there with

710
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,080
every sentence

711
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,870
what's the late uh researcher i always

712
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,760
forget his name we're going to talk

713
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,320
about him stan from stanton friedman

714
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,720
yeah you know he he began in the latter

715
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,960
years to lead with or to conclude by

716
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,880
saying that the evidence is overwhelming

717
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,640
that the earth is being visited blah

718
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,000
blah blah

719
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,799
by extraterrestrial intelligence

720
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,120
well to me it's the the experiencer

721
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,000
realm is it's it's it's the weight of

722
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,159
the total body

723
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,559
of the claims

724
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,960
um and from what i understand

725
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,799
a lot of these people have been very

726
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,960
seriously researched by some very

727
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,520
serious and sober scientists

728
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:01,039
to the extent

729
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,840
that

730
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:04,000
apparently many of them

731
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,200
are being

732
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,120
[Music]

733
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,120
are involved in testing

734
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,559
of maybe their dna and their

735
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:12,880
immunological systems

736
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,559
to try to determine if there are markers

737
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,279
either from the experience or markers

738
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,760
that set them out

739
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,840
and set them as somehow different from

740
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,480
the rest of us that make them

741
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,000
more uh

742
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,840
more of a target if you will

743
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,159
uh more of a recipient of the experience

744
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,840
i don't know how to put it but

745
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,360
yeah

746
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,640
it was the work that gary nolan was

747
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,720
working on related to the antenna and

748
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,919
they weren't sure if it was something

749
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,919
that attracted to them it you know

750
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,640
attracted the phenomenon to them or

751
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,080
something that happens in the family it

752
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,840
was too early you know

753
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,279
nolan was talking about how it's too

754
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,520
early to even make any conclusion

755
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,000
um but it was 87 of february just so you

756
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,000
know communion okay the book that

757
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,919
changed my life as far as this because i

758
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,080
had no idea there was anything even like

759
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,840
that until i saw that book

760
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,799
yeah

761
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,799
so um

762
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:05,919
i i

763
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,440
believe that something's going on

764
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,039
um

765
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,559
i'm important you know i always fall

766
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,760
back to our criminal justice system

767
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,760
we we are allowed

768
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,360
to enter

769
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,080
and to rule based on eyewitness

770
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,679
testimony

771
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,760
so why should it be any different when

772
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,799
people are

773
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,200
making claims obviously just like a

774
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,720
criminal case there needs to be an

775
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,880
investigation

776
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,320
but you're still dealing with people

777
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,559
that are making claims

778
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,039
and it's the total

779
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,520
volume of those claims

780
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,679
that to me makes it where

781
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,480
you if all only one of them has to be

782
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,679
true

783
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,200
right

784
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,480
only one of them has to be true

785
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,600
that if you

786
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,000
for an instant or at some point made a

787
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,760
conclusion that you just did not believe

788
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,600
any of that thought it was complete and

789
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,840
utter

790
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,279
[\h__\h] and then one of them turns out

791
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,480
to be true however it's proven

792
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,080
then that compels you to go back and

793
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,080
look at all of them again

794
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:13,360
right

795
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,159
so

796
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,320
and you can apply that to whether it's

797
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,399
experiences or ufo sightings that are

798
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,159
absent of a photograph or a video or

799
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,159
whatever

800
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,760
it forces you

801
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,320
to re-look at the information to to

802
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,399
reconsider a different set of potential

803
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,669
so

804
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:35,840
yeah i think it's really interesting

805
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,830
and why are there stories

806
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,230
so similar in so many ways

807
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,430
to me that's

808
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,840
i agree i mean yeah something's going on

809
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,200
and

810
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,519
specific cases you know i know there are

811
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,200
different cases but the

812
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,519
the overwhelm the overall

813
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,200
point that you just mentioned how their

814
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,039
stories are all similar and you know you

815
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,279
speak to these people they don't want

816
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,840
most of them do not want publicity um

817
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,960
that was the thing

818
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,039
that john mack and bud hopkins and david

819
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,640
jacobs found those they don't want to

820
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,080
talk a lot of them are professionals a

821
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,760
lot of people professional

822
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,159
lawyers doctors you name it having

823
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,960
experiences you have jim semivan you

824
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:23,840
know

825
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,440
had an abduction like experience so

826
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,000
it's really those folks

827
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,919
i think we need to lean on

828
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,679
eventually and people get mad at me

829
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,880
because i do have friends who are

830
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,559
experiencers and they're like

831
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,080
they need to be at the forefront right

832
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,760
now and i'm like

833
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,480
i think we need to stay with the

834
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:44,960
stay more with you know nuts and bolts

835
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:48,000
for now for now because i can't even get

836
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,440
i can't get i still can't get family

837
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,360
members and friends who have never had

838
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,120
an interest in this even what's with

839
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,440
what's going on right now maybe a couple

840
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,640
but for the most part they're not

841
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,880
interested still so for me to go into

842
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,600
experiences it's too much for them

843
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,159
but eventually yeah i do that's i think

844
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,559
that's the key um what's going on i

845
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,080
don't know and we've talked about you

846
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,080
and i have talked about threat it's not

847
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,799
a threat and i i had that audio on you

848
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,559
twitter this week where i said

849
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,320
there's no way lou was talking about it

850
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,760
anybody who tells you this is not a

851
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,039
threat

852
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,399
i don't listen to that i don't know it

853
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,679
is a threat i don't know if it is not a

854
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,000
threat i have no idea and i know you

855
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,480
have thoughts along the same

856
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,960
the same uh idea as what are we dealing

857
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:30,399
with

858
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,519
well

859
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,200
so let's talk about the tr the threat

860
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,519
narrative first of all

861
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,600
i think i told you this

862
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:39,120
i think we would all

863
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,320
i would like to think that everybody

864
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,120
would agree but i'm sure they would not

865
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,760
but it really would be a serious

866
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,240
miscarriage of duty

867
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:50,480
if you were in the military

868
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,669
and you were aware

869
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,399
of the nature of this phenomenon

870
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,480
and you did not

871
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,039
first and foremost

872
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,320
look at the worst case scenario

873
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,159
you have that i mean that's that's what

874
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,560
corporations do i mean i work right now

875
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:15,440
in cyber security

876
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,399
and

877
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,919
when you're dealing with cyber security

878
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,679
and data privacy the very first thing

879
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,520
you do is you assess the type of data

880
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,800
you're dealing with

881
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,760
and what its gravity is if lost or

882
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,320
exposed or breached

883
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,000
what's the worst case and there are

884
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,320
certain regulations around the world

885
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,599
from europe

886
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:35,440
and it's even growing in the united

887
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:36,639
states

888
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,720
where for a single record like say joe's

889
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,480
medical files

890
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,480
or three records joe's and mike's and

891
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,040
henry's medical fly much less

892
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:50,000
a trove of medical records if you lose

893
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,040
those

894
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,560
if they're if they're put out on

895
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,159
wikileaks or something with all those

896
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,079
social security numbers and

897
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,160
hair color and eye color and all this

898
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,119
thiometric data whatever

899
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,520
the monetary liability

900
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,280
is enormous to the extent that you could

901
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,440
hold the corporation at risk from

902
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,880
survival

903
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,920
so if you if you apply that same so so

904
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,200
you have to approach everything from the

905
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,760
worst case scenario and start from from

906
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,200
that perspective when you're trying to

907
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,520
secure the data with your your

908
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:23,200
information system security and things

909
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,400
of that nature

910
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,920
it's no different

911
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,520
with

912
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:29,599
you of ufos uap

913
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,880
until we know what it is

914
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,359
until we can say with fact certain that

915
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,760
it's not a threat

916
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,920
well it's pretty obvious that what we've

917
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:41,760
caught on camera and what eyewitnesses

918
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,839
have seen military policemen firemen

919
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,480
lay people around the world

920
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,960
these things have exhibited capabilities

921
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,920
that

922
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,520
far and away

923
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,520
outpace

924
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,520
outstrip the capabilities of our most

925
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,760
advanced

926
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,280
aircraft

927
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,880
weapon systems whatever you want to call

928
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,240
it

929
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,000
and if that's the case

930
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,240
even though there supposedly hasn't been

931
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,599
an instance

932
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,119
where they have

933
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,040
you know turned on us

934
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,150
it seems pretty apparent

935
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,480
based on some of the capabilities we

936
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,079
have observed

937
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,960
that if they were hostile

938
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,200
we would not be

939
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,040
uh in the advantage

940
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,680
we would be severely disadvantaged

941
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,400
so you have to classify it

942
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,119
in a way that allows you to

943
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,720
turn your energies and your

944
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,200
organizations and your funding and all

945
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,640
of your research and all of your

946
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,040
technologies into

947
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:47,280
trying to into trying to find a solution

948
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,720
for the problem

949
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,480
so you're both trying to figure out what

950
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,599
it is

951
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,599
and you're trying to figure out

952
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,359
what can it do

953
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,119
to us

954
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,520
how can we prevent it from doing that to

955
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,240
us if it did that to us if it tried to

956
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,760
do something

957
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,599
so there's an enormous i would imagine

958
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,200
despite the fact that they claim

959
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,560
otherwise

960
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,640
there's an enormous effort underway

961
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,720
probably has been for decades to try to

962
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,160
get

963
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,960
if it's possible an upper hand

964
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:18,800
or to try to

965
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,839
perhaps mask or

966
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,359
obfuscate shell games with our

967
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,119
technologies to try to keep certain

968
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:27,119
things from being discovered

969
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,480
because these things do have a

970
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,400
propensity for hanging around some of

971
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,800
our most advanced

972
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:34,800
facilities

973
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,839
uh and and some of our most sensitive

974
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,440
technologies

975
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,599
so you you know i don't have a problem

976
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,280
with somebody claiming it's a threat

977
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:45,280
that you really need to do that

978
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,800
to allow the greatest focus of the of um

979
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,880
of our you know our resources

980
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,599
and where are our greatest resources

981
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,599
it's in the intelligence community

982
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:57,359
our scientific community our military

983
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,150
if it's if it's known now that it's not

984
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,599
a threat and yet they're running around

985
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
with their hair on fire like it is

986
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,599
just to stir up funding

987
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,520
well it wouldn't be the first time

988
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,200
right

989
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,200
weapons of mass destruction and you can

990
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,079
go back throughout history but they they

991
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:20,320
really do have to treat it as a threat

992
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:28,630
i i agree obviously and

993
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,109
i get a lot of flack from both sides if

994
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,119
i mention threat and lou has gotten

995
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,800
flack too and it's funny because he

996
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,480
seems a little hesitant right now

997
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,640
because if he mentions

998
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,000
if he doesn't mention the threat people

999
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,440
are like well how what are you talking

1000
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,720
about we don't know what they are and

1001
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,320
he's like well i've already gotten a lot

1002
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,240
of flack when i even mentioned potential

1003
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,920
threat so i know he's in a he's in a

1004
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,839
tough situation there one of the

1005
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:55,920
questions i'm going to go with i'm not

1006
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,960
really exactly sure

1007
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,800
maybe you can

1008
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,200
make this out what what if legislation

1009
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,760
formalizes the study of experiencers

1010
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,599
which is brought up in some of the

1011
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,119
language talking about

1012
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,160
um

1013
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,720
physical effects from these objects

1014
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,640
what if legislation formalizes the study

1015
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,720
of experiences in relation to the uap

1016
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,720
occupants and

1017
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,880
finds them to be a national security

1018
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,400
concern

1019
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,680
all right i understand that's why i'm

1020
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,839
sorry coin exchange i understand so what

1021
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,400
do you think if if if

1022
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,320
uap are considered a national security

1023
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,720
concern they're damaging people maybe

1024
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,200
not intentional but nonetheless people

1025
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,280
are getting injured by having up close

1026
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,880
encounters what do you how would they

1027
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,960
even handle that our government you have

1028
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,640
any thoughts

1029
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,119
i don't because i find it ludicrous that

1030
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:48,000
the government would even

1031
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,190
how do i put this

1032
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,790
i find it ludicrous

1033
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,790
to hear these statements that we don't

1034
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,800
know what it is

1035
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,079
when there's

1036
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,720
an overwhelming amount of evidence

1037
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,480
showing that we have been looking into

1038
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,440
this

1039
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,960
problem

1040
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,880
for decades

1041
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,079
okay

1042
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:16,480
so you can go to that book that was

1043
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,520
written

1044
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,520
by the five or six different authors

1045
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,079
ufos and government

1046
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,599
a historical perspective is called

1047
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,440
and they have nothing in there but

1048
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,079
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

1049
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:32,160
government documents

1050
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:32,960
and

1051
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,200
it's not it's it's there's no

1052
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,440
speculation in that book

1053
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,839
it is real government documents that

1054
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,280
have been released

1055
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,599
through the government's own

1056
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:47,119
passage of the freedom of information

1057
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,319
act going back to the 40s 50s 60s 70s

1058
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,560
and up to near current day as far as the

1059
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,359
book when it was published

1060
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,400
showing very clearly that the government

1061
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,119
has been looking at this

1062
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,720
from the beginning

1063
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,240
and then you have

1064
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:06,960
the project condyn report

1065
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,079
um that came out of the uk

1066
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,760
and if you look at all the massive

1067
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,200
volumes of that

1068
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,040
there's there are sections in there

1069
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:18,000
about um

1070
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:22,000
the human effects caused by uh

1071
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,400
is it ionizing or non-ionizing radiation

1072
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,119
so they're well aware of this

1073
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,960
and and so this language might spur some

1074
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,760
more open investigation of uab's in

1075
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,839
general like it's proposing

1076
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,920
to be run out of a formal organization

1077
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,319
of the pentagon and they might look at

1078
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,560
experiencers

1079
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,160
but i don't i don't know what the

1080
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,240
outcome of that would be if they found

1081
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,720
somehow that oh well

1082
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,119
they're walking amongst us and this is a

1083
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,040
potential threat they could be in they

1084
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,800
could be working in norad they could be

1085
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,880
working in some of our most sensitive

1086
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,520
national security locations

1087
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,119
my guess is

1088
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,839
they've been aware of that potential

1089
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,760
for decades

1090
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:09,119
that's just

1091
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,720
based on everything i have seen

1092
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,560
this business about we don't know what

1093
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,430
is um

1094
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:23,440
i'll just say it's a sham

1095
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,400
but

1096
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,480
this is the new era right we're in the

1097
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,880
new era thanks to the 2017 new york

1098
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,119
times article there's new energy and

1099
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,200
momentum behind this

1100
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,880
now everybody the biggest thing the

1101
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,560
biggest difference is people are less

1102
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,400
afraid to talk about it

1103
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,920
people like us

1104
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,680
people like me

1105
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,599
being a clear professional

1106
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,400
people that are elected

1107
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,160
to the house of representatives to the

1108
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,560
senate

1109
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,000
the stigma is being stripped away

1110
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,720
scientists and academicians all over the

1111
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,280
place or jumping on board

1112
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,400
okay

1113
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,160
this that's that's the

1114
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,000
that's the gravity of what's going on

1115
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,040
right now is this openness

1116
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,920
uh this sort of perestroika of ufo-ism

1117
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,280
right i mean it's

1118
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,720
it's really

1119
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,240
having its day

1120
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,160
and it hasn't had its day but it's it's

1121
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,480
approaching having its day where it's

1122
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,319
going to get the attention everybody

1123
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,359
wants it to have it gets funding

1124
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,119
and so forth

1125
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,400
and cooperation

1126
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,920
from the government levels around the

1127
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,119
world to

1128
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,800
different um

1129
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,800
academic organizations and scientific

1130
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,000
groups

1131
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,680
but really

1132
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,440
do you really it's like you know i never

1133
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,280
did find and i looked and looked and

1134
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,119
looked for this

1135
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:42,800
i read it

1136
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,240
but there is a claim out there that

1137
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,319
someone who was very close to jay allen

1138
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,160
heineck

1139
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,119
said that he was thunderstruck those are

1140
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:58,480
my words and i'm going to paraphrase

1141
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,839
but somewhere near the end of blue book

1142
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,440
maybe it was the end of his life i think

1143
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,520
it was near the end of blue book

1144
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,200
he was having a conversation with a

1145
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:09,599
senior air force general

1146
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,510
but he said something he was frustrated

1147
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,920
and i can't remember what hynek said but

1148
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,760
the general officer turned to him and

1149
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,599
said something like

1150
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,000
alan do you really think we've not been

1151
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,839
seriously looking at this this entire

1152
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,359
time

1153
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,839
and he took that to his grave

1154
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:33,760
that was the that was the gist of

1155
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,710
full of [\h__\h] or not i can't remember

1156
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,160
i've i've looked and looked and looked

1157
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:43,920
for where i read that i did not dream

1158
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,599
that i read that somewhere

1159
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,359
be that as it may

1160
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,440
uh you can't

1161
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:53,280
you just can't have

1162
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,589
nation like the united states

1163
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,680
with all of the military and

1164
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,160
intelligence and scientific capabilities

1165
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,680
that we have

1166
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,160
and have this going on around our most

1167
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,880
sensitive facilities for decades

1168
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,240
and not

1169
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,480
take it seriously

1170
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,200
so i think that what we're seeing now is

1171
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,880
the public facing it's sort of the

1172
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,040
regeneration of a new blue book era kind

1173
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,960
of thing going on this is

1174
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,359
a lot of this is for our consumption but

1175
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,319
on the inside i'm absolutely certain

1176
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,839
can't prove it

1177
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,160
that that senior dod and intelligence

1178
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,760
officials

1179
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,359
are very

1180
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,400
very concerned and involved with this

1181
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,960
and have been for a long time

1182
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:42,800
and if there were people

1183
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,349
believed to have any influence on

1184
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,599
anything if it was in a negative way

1185
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:53,839
about our national security

1186
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,880
that that would already be

1187
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,190
characterized

1188
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,920
and dealt with

1189
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,720
so

1190
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,760
that's just that's my opinion

1191
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,520
yeah i just can't

1192
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,319
no i i and i i always wonder in my

1193
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,480
opinion is that somebody somewhere i

1194
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,400
don't know how large of a group

1195
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:18,240
knows a lot more how much they know i

1196
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,200
don't know

1197
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,880
you know lewis talked about yeah you

1198
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,319
know he's hinted

1199
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,880
we may have craft we may see bodies but

1200
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,359
we don't know intent we don't know the

1201
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,440
big questions i don't know if anybody

1202
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,520
knows intent that would be the most

1203
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,280
important question obviously

1204
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,280
um but i've asked people i've said you

1205
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,680
know do you know anybody

1206
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:38,480
that

1207
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,480
no intent and they're like no i don't so

1208
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,480
i want to know how many people and how

1209
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,640
much they know but yeah i agree this you

1210
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,960
know bob fish which i wrote about my

1211
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,400
blog talks about

1212
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,800
picking up signals from craft off the

1213
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,560
east coast of florida and they figured

1214
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,240
out where they're coming from and you

1215
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,520
know when they're going to go in the

1216
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,800
patterns and everything so they know

1217
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,319
that kind of stuff so

1218
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,079
what else do they know um i'm going to

1219
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,160
go to a question

1220
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,280
which

1221
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,560
kind of goes to what we've talked about

1222
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:11,119
before your opinion on roswell

1223
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:15,040
crashes and mj-12

1224
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,910
well i i tend to believe that roswell

1225
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,839
happened

1226
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,240
there's just too many witnesses many of

1227
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,720
them now dead

1228
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:32,559
that have

1229
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,079
given testimony to things they saw

1230
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,599
and

1231
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,319
we we know

1232
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,000
in that in that

1233
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,559
phase of our nation's evolution and the

1234
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,480
in the technological state of the art at

1235
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,400
the time

1236
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:51,680
the russians nor anyone else

1237
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,870
to overfly

1238
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,349
roswell in the 509th bomb group

1239
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,520
in some sort of a reconnaissance

1240
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,000
operation and lose

1241
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:11,920
lose an asset

1242
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,920
due to a crash or being shot down

1243
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,800
nor do i believe that the russians

1244
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,960
floated some balloon with some deformed

1245
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,040
children on board or whatever it was

1246
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,640
that came out of um

1247
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,400
what's that lady's book

1248
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,960
annie jacobson phenomena

1249
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,960
yeah somebody i think took her for a

1250
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,640
ride on that one

1251
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,720
um more of the op

1252
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,400
obfuscation

1253
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,160
yeah i think the same source that she

1254
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:40,079
spoke to also spoke with knapp and had

1255
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,880
the

1256
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,760
opposite you know it was non-human

1257
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,760
not from here story so i'm not sure what

1258
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,839
happened with andy jacobson there

1259
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,920
yeah um

1260
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,960
you know

1261
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,280
this is just

1262
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,319
now i am not a ufo researcher i am a

1263
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,240
voracious reader

1264
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,520
and um

1265
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,440
and i haven't read everything

1266
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,000
but i've read enough to know and i've

1267
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,599
seen enough

1268
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:07,200
credible

1269
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,599
uh speaking to other seemingly very

1270
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,400
credible people groups of them

1271
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:19,280
many many many people who were

1272
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,400
there

1273
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:22,240
uh at the time and

1274
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,680
and um

1275
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,760
whether they were a child or

1276
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,400
what have you or or older like glenn

1277
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,559
dennis the mortician right you know do

1278
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,920
you come away from listening to his

1279
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,480
story tell telling yourself that he

1280
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,200
sounds like he's full of crap

1281
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:38,720
uh

1282
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,559
just and he's just one example um

1283
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,319
and then there are the other supposed

1284
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:47,359
crashes uh at corona

1285
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,160
that

1286
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:50,480
i believe some information has actually

1287
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,440
come out

1288
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,119
in the last what 10 years there's a

1289
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,680
husband and wife investigative team

1290
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,440
yeah ross coldhardt covered them in his

1291
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,440
uh documentary which i did not know a

1292
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,760
lot of that information it's really

1293
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:04,079
yeah it's interesting the cosmo i forget

1294
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,200
the names

1295
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:07,599
and i'm not sure if this was related to

1296
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,040
that particular supposed crash

1297
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,400
but uh

1298
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,400
there was another guy

1299
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,000
i don't remember if i saw this on tv or

1300
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,079
if i saw this on the internet or what

1301
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,440
but they were looking at satellite

1302
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:20,880
photographs

1303
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,599
of of an area out there that were

1304
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,599
that had had a supposed crash back in

1305
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,280
the 40s

1306
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:29,119
and

1307
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,960
you know we've heard the stories of how

1308
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,880
they would go out

1309
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,880
and do a uh

1310
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,559
what what i would call the equivalent of

1311
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,480
a fad walk down

1312
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,640
on an aircraft carrier deck do you know

1313
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,319
what that is

1314
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,240
right not right before right before

1315
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:48,400
flight operations start every day or

1316
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,520
every night

1317
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,760
periodically they do it throughout the

1318
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,880
day

1319
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,200
and they take volunteers they will say

1320
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,119
on the carrier they'll say

1321
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:59,119
all hands to the flight deck for a fodd

1322
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,480
walk down

1323
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,160
and everybody that works on the flight

1324
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,440
deck and anybody that is bored

1325
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,839
or has a few spare minutes

1326
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,599
or just wants to do it because it's

1327
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,640
interesting

1328
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,640
you all come up to the front of the

1329
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,839
flight deck and you stand literally

1330
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,000
it's standing room only in a line across

1331
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,240
the entire flight and you walk it slowly

1332
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,200
from front to back looking down

1333
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,520
for any piece

1334
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,960
of metal

1335
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,960
anything that a jet engine could suck up

1336
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,880
off that deck into the engine and cause

1337
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,839
damage or cause an explosion whatever

1338
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,800
and

1339
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,640
that's what they do when they go out

1340
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,160
when they lose

1341
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,000
a high-value aircraft that's being

1342
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:43,359
tested like an f-117 crashes or

1343
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,640
an f uh an sr 71 years ago in

1344
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:49,119
development when one of those crashed

1345
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,960
they round up

1346
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,200
personnel from all over

1347
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,200
and they go out there and set up you

1348
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,760
know they set a cordon a perimeter

1349
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,079
and they get on their hands and knees

1350
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,520
with bags

1351
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,800
and they pick up everything they find

1352
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,000
so

1353
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,480
supposedly witnesses knew of that

1354
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,599
happening

1355
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,839
i think it was roswell

1356
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,480
but another more interesting thing to me

1357
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:15,920
was that

1358
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,319
i think it was corona

1359
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,359
the satellite photographs

1360
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,119
um

1361
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:25,359
you don't notice it until someone points

1362
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,400
it out

1363
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,800
there's almost a triangle

1364
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,640
if i recall correctly

1365
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:33,680
there's an enormous swath of land

1366
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,960
that looks unnaturally altered

1367
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,359
as if you had

1368
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,119
bulldozers

1369
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,040
or large earth-moving equipment out

1370
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,520
there at one point

1371
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:48,079
uh sort of remaking

1372
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,520
the surface

1373
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,000
you know how they build neighborhoods

1374
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,000
right now in cities they come in and

1375
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,680
they remove

1376
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,559
uh

1377
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,960
all of the top soil the top three or

1378
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,480
four feet down to what they call the

1379
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,760
hard pan

1380
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,000
and that's where they'll trench in their

1381
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,760
infrastructure and their water and sewer

1382
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,359
lines and stuff like that and they pile

1383
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,880
that dirt up

1384
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:10,800
off to the side and then they sell it to

1385
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,079
people uh or they reuse it somehow

1386
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,559
but you know to come in and take

1387
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,040
the top two or three feet

1388
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:21,280
of dirt or sand or whatever was out

1389
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:22,319
there

1390
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:23,280
and

1391
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,200
whatever they did with it this that

1392
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:29,119
picture that they showed which it could

1393
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,480
have been that husband and wife couple i

1394
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,920
don't remember but it

1395
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,359
once i saw what they were talking about

1396
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,200
it was kind of evident you know if you

1397
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,119
go if you go two miles over to the to

1398
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,359
the north or two miles to the

1399
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,079
to the south or or in any direction you

1400
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,680
see scrub

1401
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,520
and and the terrain looks

1402
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,200
sort of undulating and it looks sort of

1403
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,680
natural but in that one area it looks

1404
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,760
like it was messed with on a very large

1405
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,720
scale

1406
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,559
why would they have done that

1407
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,440
right

1408
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,760
why would they have done that uh there's

1409
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,440
nothing built there

1410
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:02,000
uh and then you have um

1411
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,760
you have um

1412
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,480
i'm terrible with these folks names um

1413
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,280
the phd out of uh university of raleigh

1414
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:12,079
north durham

1415
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,200
america

1416
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:14,720
diana pasulka

1417
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,280
yeah dr pasalka

1418
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,280
she talks in her book about the uh the

1419
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,440
teleconference with the uh

1420
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,720
the bureau of land management people

1421
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,720
and apparently there is a

1422
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,200
there's a marker

1423
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,040
where she was taken or near where she

1424
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,880
was taken blindfolded out there with

1425
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,119
those special altered

1426
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,880
metal detectors

1427
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,160
um and they apparently found some some

1428
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,480
metallic fragments

1429
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,520
but this

1430
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,119
if i recall correctly and i'll have to

1431
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:48,160
look at the book again she talks about

1432
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:51,760
this area i think her question was um

1433
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,480
why is this on any map

1434
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,640
and it was the response was something

1435
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,559
like well

1436
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,960
if we put that on the map it said this

1437
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,839
is the

1438
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,720
you know

1439
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:04,720
where we believe or where it's reported

1440
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:05,440
that

1441
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,960
a flying saucer crashed in 1940 whatever

1442
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,640
well look what would happen to it i mean

1443
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,319
look what happened to

1444
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,040
you know roswell and uh right

1445
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,119
in the gate out there by area 51 it

1446
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,799
would just get inundated and trampled

1447
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,920
all over so apparently her book

1448
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,440
indicates that

1449
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,200
the bureau of land management knows

1450
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:27,200
where this site is

1451
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,079
um

1452
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,920
but they don't publish it it's not

1453
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,839
marked on any of their maps and i've

1454
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,079
spent a fair amount of time out west

1455
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,720
trail riding in my in my jeep and

1456
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,280
you know i'm familiar with how blm marks

1457
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,920
their land and all of that and and

1458
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,359
so

1459
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,559
you know i know how it appears on maps

1460
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,040
but for them to know of some i mean it's

1461
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,440
quite conceivable right it's

1462
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,760
and again her book is what i have to go

1463
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:55,200
off of but i thought that was pretty

1464
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,319
interesting

1465
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,000
i am gonna

1466
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,520
ask you to

1467
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:01,040
shorten your question your answers a

1468
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,240
little bit because we have so many

1469
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,079
questions that i have to catch up on the

1470
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,400
last part of that question was mj12

1471
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,880
do you think there's an mj12 like

1472
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,319
group

1473
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,160
wouldn't there have to be

1474
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,000
you would think you would think that

1475
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,359
there were people put together to look

1476
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,799
at this at the highest levels i would

1477
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,400
think you know

1478
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,760
well if you if you look at the stuff

1479
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,160
that we know about like the uh the

1480
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,480
proximity fuse that was so this was like

1481
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:27,280
uh bush senior right this was uh

1482
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,839
what was the guy's name

1483
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,400
um

1484
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:33,040
supposedly a member of the mj12

1485
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,559
van of our bush

1486
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,040
yeah right he was part of the research

1487
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:39,920
and development board of the pentagon

1488
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,160
and this is the group that came up with

1489
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,960
the proximity fuse that anti-aircraft

1490
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,960
artillery used think about what a

1491
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,359
revelation that was

1492
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,520
uh you shoot a cannon shell up in the

1493
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,440
sky and it knows when it gets next to an

1494
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,520
airplane and then it blows up it senses

1495
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,599
the airplane so that was key to winning

1496
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,559
the war

1497
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,040
they also it's the same group that put

1498
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,520
their heads to trying to solve the uh

1499
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,520
the nazi yubo problem

1500
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,040
which they did

1501
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,599
uh that was literally strangling the uk

1502
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,480
during during world war ii but they are

1503
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,160
responsible for some of the most uh

1504
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,480
impressive technological developments

1505
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,960
this country has ever known the world

1506
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:22,640
has ever known

1507
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,640
and to have that same or a similar group

1508
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,280
put in put in charge of something

1509
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,680
uh like this phenomenon

1510
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,240
when they were seeing examples of it

1511
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,720
uh having encounters

1512
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:38,400
having observations

1513
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,760
of these things um back then

1514
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:43,520
it just makes all the sense in the world

1515
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:49,109
you couldn't

1516
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,950
yeah until you classified it

1517
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,040
characterized the threat

1518
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:59,040
you can't ignore something like that

1519
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,400
you've got you kidding me you got

1520
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:01,920
something flying around our most

1521
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,960
sensitive facilities

1522
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:07,200
you can't ignore that

1523
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,799
so yeah i think i think it's

1524
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,280
somebody knows somewhere

1525
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:15,839
bobby ray inman he spelled it wrong he

1526
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:20,240
corrected afterwards um any ideas

1527
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,150
yeah i mean that's i would just be

1528
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,559
speculating you know did he really fall

1529
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:33,920
off the window of

1530
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,880
bethesda naval medical center

1531
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,079
no no i think you're talking about

1532
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:40,240
forest all right oh that's forestall

1533
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,880
yeah

1534
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:42,960
general bobby ray inman well i mean

1535
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,549
so look at this guy again in the

1536
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,440
cryptologic community inman was a

1537
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:53,359
director of nsa

1538
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,480
right

1539
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,799
so it it really in the intelligence

1540
00:59:02,829 --> 00:58:59,119
community doesn't get much higher than

1541
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,839
than what we call durnza director of nsa

1542
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,040
d-i-r-n-s-a um

1543
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,799
conceivable that he

1544
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,480
knew quite a lot

1545
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,559
you have to remember that well you don't

1546
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,079
have to do anything i'm just saying that

1547
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,480
the mission of nsa

1548
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:15,680
is to

1549
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,000
from foreign adversaries

1550
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,839
they also have

1551
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,520
legions of people that are out there

1552
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,799
collecting

1553
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,359
communications

1554
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:30,720
listening

1555
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,359
who knows what

1556
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:38,640
the i i find it inconceivable

1557
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,280
that with all of nsa's capabilities that

1558
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:42,880
if these

1559
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:46,799
if this phenomenon is emitting anything

1560
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,040
in the in the em spectrum or the rf band

1561
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,680
that it would not have been detected

1562
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:55,920
decades ago

1563
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,680
and the minute it was detected then hey

1564
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,920
there's a mission right there go figure

1565
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,839
out what it is

1566
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,960
um

1567
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,280
so inman

1568
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:08,799
anything to do with nsa their

1569
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,160
capabilities um

1570
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,640
you know the term eye watering

1571
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,640
they really are

1572
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:18,400
they're pretty impressive

1573
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,319
so i don't know what he knew but

1574
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,240
uh

1575
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,839
i i you know

1576
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,599
i wouldn't be surprised to find out if

1577
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,520
he had sort of the keys to the kingdom

1578
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,839
in that respect there's another one

1579
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:34,559
along talks about stuff some information

1580
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,000
that's horrifying and lewis mentioned

1581
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,319
if we knew what he knew

1582
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,640
the reaction would be somber what she

1583
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,480
explained later on he didn't really mean

1584
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,720
it to be such a negative thing so what's

1585
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,640
your take on on that you know what my

1586
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,920
dick is

1587
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:51,359
i think

1588
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,960
we both talked about what we asked for

1589
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:55,200
really yeah it could be really something

1590
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,640
really negative that a lot of people

1591
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,240
don't even want to consider and i don't

1592
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,799
know that to be the case but

1593
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,000
i think we have to allow for that

1594
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,520
possibility that it's something that's

1595
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,680
really not going to be accepted well by

1596
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,040
the masses

1597
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,280
well i mean i'm not trying to i don't

1598
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,960
last thing i would want to be accused of

1599
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,200
is saying something that upset somebody

1600
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,200
but uh there's a reason why they haven't

1601
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,960
told us what they know

1602
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,760
so

1603
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:19,440
go further back to that i

1604
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,799
i find it implausible

1605
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,040
that that they don't know

1606
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,040
more than what they're saying

1607
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,359
okay

1608
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:31,280
if de long's comments are to be taken on

1609
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,559
face value

1610
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,079
and i think you know where i stand with

1611
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,079
that whole group um

1612
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,480
he's just a person like you and me but

1613
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,799
he had connections and he had money and

1614
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,960
an enormous following and he had an idea

1615
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:45,200
and he wasn't the first to ever try it

1616
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,880
but he apparently did have these

1617
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,400
conversations with some very

1618
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:51,200
high-ranking very well-connected people

1619
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,079
and supposedly they told him some things

1620
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,760
that disturbed him

1621
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:57,680
um

1622
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:58,720
to me

1623
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,520
is that that's uh

1624
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,160
that comports with

1625
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,559
a lot of you know if you look at the

1626
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,760
body of evidence the total weight of

1627
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,760
claims

1628
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,440
experiences

1629
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:16,160
observed capabilities

1630
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,520
this thing is

1631
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,640
whatever it is is weird it is all

1632
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,109
and i don't see how it could not be

1633
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:27,280
dangerous if it wanted to

1634
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,640
and i think that

1635
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:30,960
all of these cries for public hearings

1636
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:34,480
and uh we deserve you know we can handle

1637
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,839
the truth

1638
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,520
i'd say be careful what you ask for

1639
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,760
because there's a reason why and that

1640
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,280
and i think some of it's rooted in

1641
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:42,960
possibly

1642
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:46,079
if they've if they've been able to to um

1643
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:47,839
make any gains by researching the

1644
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,480
technology and develop things from it

1645
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,960
uh that rep that represent sort of

1646
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,559
game-changing

1647
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,079
ace in the whole

1648
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,799
technologies that we would never see

1649
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,960
unless our national backs were up

1650
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:02,880
against the wall that's something we

1651
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,880
didn't get to last time like if we have

1652
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,400
this technology which fault there's

1653
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,400
another question we can go to it and and

1654
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,160
spin off on that

1655
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,839
question do you know about mark mcclain

1656
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:14,160
this is uh alien reproduction vehicle

1657
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,680
and the anti-gravity research from the

1658
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,000
50s rumors are that we

1659
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,680
had a closed-door breakthrough and have

1660
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:21,039
been

1661
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,880
held down which goes along with to what

1662
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,280
you just said we have we have cracked

1663
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,440
gravity if we have

1664
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,720
and we've spoken about this but you

1665
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,559
didn't get to talk about it last time do

1666
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,760
you think they would break out that

1667
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,599
technology do you think they should

1668
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:37,599
break out that technology to change the

1669
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,630
well you would sort of have um

1670
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,039
competing hypothesis right

1671
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:49,039
inside the organization trying to just

1672
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,559
discern

1673
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,359
determine decide what to do

1674
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,880
because on the one hand you've got

1675
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,880
something that could up in the world up

1676
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,280
in the economy totally you know where's

1677
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,280
our economy where are our economies

1678
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,359
based we're our strengths

1679
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,520
it's in the uh

1680
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:07,440
you know the fossil fuels

1681
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:10,480
and there are clean ways

1682
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,680
cleaner ways of using them

1683
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,000
but so much of our economy and the

1684
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,000
world's economy functions around that

1685
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:20,319
and now you're going to roll out

1686
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,480
something as awesome as

1687
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,000
the claimed

1688
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,559
anti-gravity you know flying cars

1689
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,119
tomorrow planes that don't require jet

1690
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,720
engines and so forth

1691
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:33,039
uh endless you know everybody's got a

1692
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:34,400
mini power plant buried in their

1693
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:35,599
backyard

1694
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:38,880
unlimited power or or every every uh

1695
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,430
and it it's not relying upon burning

1696
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:46,960
anything

1697
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,039
like fossil fuels you're gonna you're

1698
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,520
gonna totally up end

1699
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,520
the global economy you're gonna

1700
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,039
automatically if you did it overnight

1701
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,039
you would turn millions of people out of

1702
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,119
work who work in those industries

1703
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:00,880
transportation

1704
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,839
uh drilling mining whatever so that's

1705
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:05,760
the first problem but if you had a

1706
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,640
technology that was capable of besting

1707
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,640
anyone or anything on the face of the

1708
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,640
planet human-wise

1709
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,720
in in warfare

1710
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,319
would you demonstrate it to get

1711
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:18,240
everybody to suddenly scrap all of their

1712
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,440
nukes and

1713
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,440
scrap all of their jet fighters and

1714
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,520
submarines

1715
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:25,039
probably not

1716
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:28,720
because that's an another enormous part

1717
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,000
like it or leave it of our economy it's

1718
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:33,920
the defense industry

1719
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:35,839
there are millions of people employed in

1720
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:36,480
it

1721
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:37,520
okay

1722
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,400
so

1723
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,839
what do you do with it

1724
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,520
well number one if it's if there's

1725
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,359
something capable of

1726
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,920
of of anti-gravity

1727
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,960
um

1728
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,720
and we're going to turn that technology

1729
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,839
loose

1730
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,079
anything that's capable you know i think

1731
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,160
lazar said this i don't care where you

1732
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,839
are on bob lazar

1733
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:58,000
but what he said is true

1734
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,359
if you have

1735
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:01,200
anti-gravity

1736
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:02,240
then

1737
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,760
becomes instantly a reality

1738
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:10,319
and that means also weapons technology

1739
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:12,000
are you gonna really hand this over to

1740
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,680
every maverick inventor and every

1741
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,839
tinkerer in his garage

1742
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,039
um

1743
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,200
you know and and set this technology

1744
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,680
free how do you do it how do you drip it

1745
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,280
into society

1746
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:25,760
right has to be governed has to not

1747
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,280
govern like regulated but it probably

1748
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,880
does have to be regulated but that's an

1749
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,920
awesome

1750
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,559
you know we're not talking about

1751
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:34,880
uh the inventor of uh

1752
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,520
of alka s alpha cells or tablets that

1753
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,119
fizz when you drop them in the water

1754
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,799
right and make your stomach feel better

1755
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:42,880
we're talking about

1756
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:45,920
something that turns things on its head

1757
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,680
and and uh i see him keeping that

1758
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,880
buried

1759
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,480
until

1760
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:55,119
uh literally our backs are against the

1761
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,480
wall

1762
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,799
in a military conflict

1763
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,799
do you do you believe the mccandless

1764
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,720
story he told i mean he just passed on a

1765
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,160
couple of months ago i think it's i

1766
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,680
think it's plausible it sounds a little

1767
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:06,960
cavalier that they would have a

1768
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,440
demonstration going on in a hangar

1769
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:11,440
at norton air force base

1770
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,559
uh

1771
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:14,160
you know you got an air show going on

1772
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:15,920
out there but back here in the back

1773
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:17,039
hanger

1774
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,119
we've got bigwigs coming in to look at

1775
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,359
these um

1776
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,359
these arvs apparently three of them

1777
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,119
sitting on the floor there

1778
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:27,440
turned on yeah brad swords and for

1779
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,880
people who don't know the story brad

1780
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,640
sorensen supposedly saw this and then

1781
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,400
told mark mccandless

1782
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,520
who drew it based on sorensen's

1783
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:37,839
eyewitness account of the crap

1784
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,839
yeah it's it's

1785
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,280
uh i guess by the way i don't know if

1786
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,880
you saw it but in in

1787
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,280
ross cultart's book he says that

1788
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,079
somebody showed

1789
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,160
the guy who he said was read into the

1790
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,559
program nat kobits he was shown pictures

1791
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,799
of the arv and it was an interesting

1792
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,720
reaction but nothing obviously nothing

1793
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,000
definitive

1794
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,680
um

1795
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:04,000
but i'm gonna i'm gonna skip on to the

1796
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,440
next question and i know you don't know

1797
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,960
the answers to this but everybody wants

1798
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,359
to know you know any ideas of why carter

1799
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,839
if he was actually briefed on the truth

1800
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,680
why he would be crying at his desk

1801
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:15,280
that's from henry

1802
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:16,400
well i think

1803
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,199
you know

1804
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,880
conceivable right

1805
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,080
look at

1806
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,560
so that ties that in that ties into de

1807
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,080
long's reaction supposedly

1808
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:28,880
carter was a was apparently a very

1809
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:31,440
deeply religious man

1810
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,090
so

1811
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,960
[Music]

1812
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:35,920
that

1813
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,400
think we are

1814
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,159
didn't come from where we think we came

1815
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:45,359
from

1816
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,229
i'm going to follow up here's a pushback

1817
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:54,799
on what you said as far as not putting

1818
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,920
out the technology and

1819
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,679
v is like well yeah we don't put out the

1820
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:01,600
technology but then there's no jobs you

1821
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,560
know

1822
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:03,920
there's no jobs but then we have no

1823
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:06,319
water no air and we're all dead meaning

1824
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,600
if we don't make that change the

1825
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,679
planet's going to continue to go to hell

1826
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,120
so where do i mean where's the point

1827
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,279
where you actually step in and say okay

1828
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,359
this is not a great move because this

1829
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,799
technology could be

1830
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,480
used for the wrong purposes but we need

1831
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,440
to change otherwise planet's going to go

1832
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:23,040
we're all going to disappear that's the

1833
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:24,480
argument

1834
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,789
i'm not in charge

1835
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,560
right it's uh what if you were though

1836
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,960
what if you were in charge

1837
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,319
how would you handle that like they come

1838
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,920
to you and they like you know what the

1839
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,839
planet the environment you know it's

1840
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,759
we're we're beyond the point where right

1841
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,440
at that point we need to make a change

1842
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,600
over to clean technology what would you

1843
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,440
do i'm not saying it's an easy answer

1844
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,679
obviously that's not an easy answer that

1845
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:52,960
number one there are still miles to go

1846
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,080
uh in cleaning up our own act

1847
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,239
and using what we have more efficiently

1848
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:00,640
and more cleanly there's still a long

1849
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,920
way to go

1850
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,440
one of the biggest reasons

1851
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,960
my own personal opinion that we are

1852
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,080
where we are

1853
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:08,159
it's the lack of follow-through and not

1854
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,360
enough advocacy of these initiatives

1855
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:13,920
um you know when when

1856
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,840
wasn't it clinton or was it obama when

1857
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,120
obama

1858
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,840
was president we were all supposed to

1859
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,520
just uh pretty soon thereafter we're

1860
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,360
going to have solar panels on our on our

1861
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,520
on the roofs of our houses

1862
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,600
but

1863
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,640
the power companies don't want that

1864
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:32,080
they don't want

1865
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,360
paying customers to suddenly be

1866
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:37,600
selling them energy back

1867
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,159
coming from the their batteries

1868
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,440
and their solar cells on their rooftops

1869
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:46,159
you know it's it's greed it's corporate

1870
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,120
greed

1871
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,920
never people just the organizations

1872
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,000
corporations the government and the will

1873
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,520
of the people aren't on the same sheet

1874
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,760
of music not enough of them there's not

1875
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:57,520
a it's not a strong enough movement and

1876
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,159
then you never get follow through

1877
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,239
you get all of these advocates out there

1878
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,480
for whatever the cause might be

1879
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:07,360
and it maybe doesn't die on the vine

1880
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,120
but it it doesn't go anywhere because of

1881
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,120
competing interest

1882
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,960
and

1883
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,320
lobbyists

1884
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:18,560
the oil lobby

1885
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,560
right the energy lobby in washington dc

1886
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:24,480
that's that's the roadblock so these

1887
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,480
presidents that run on these platforms

1888
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,600
of

1889
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,280
doing xyz

1890
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:30,960
when they get into office i mean that's

1891
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,840
one thing people will say anything

1892
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:36,000
and everything to get elected

1893
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:36,880
right

1894
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,159
but once they get into office

1895
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,000
the government

1896
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,159
is one part of it

1897
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,080
but then you've got the economy and

1898
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,159
corporate america and global

1899
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:50,159
corporations

1900
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:52,840
trying to convince them to turn down

1901
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,920
profit to go in another direction that

1902
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:59,040
is more common sense more healthy

1903
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,840
that

1904
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:01,840
it's you know it

1905
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,400
it usually takes some kind of a major

1906
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,080
disaster

1907
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,120
to get people to start paying

1908
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,719
close enough attention to something that

1909
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:12,400
it deserves

1910
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,520
right

1911
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,719
so

1912
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,120
uh i sure hope it doesn't get bad enough

1913
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,790
the the ecology of the planet

1914
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:27,120
and um

1915
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:28,320
and all of that

1916
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:29,760
before

1917
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,239
you know we reach some

1918
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:34,080
turning point that we can't come back

1919
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,199
around

1920
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:37,040
before people start to kind of get it

1921
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,800
across the board from the highest levels

1922
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:40,400
of government down to the grassroots

1923
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,360
levels

1924
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,159
but typically it takes something really

1925
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,000
super dramatic

1926
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,719
people have to feel the pain

1927
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,880
okay i don't mean the ordinary people

1928
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,040
either the pain has to be bad enough

1929
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:56,239
like a katrina scale disaster

1930
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,400
or it has to affect the people that are

1931
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,480
in positions of power that make those

1932
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,199
decisions that affect those things

1933
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,110
until they are personally affected by it

1934
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:11,040
like i don't know gasoline prices or

1935
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:12,080
whatever

1936
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,960
these

1937
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,480
you know congressmen they don't make a

1938
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,960
lot of money

1939
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,560
but senators

1940
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,480
senators that have been up there and

1941
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,080
some congress people that have been

1942
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:25,520
there for years and years and years

1943
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,040
i don't know any of them that are living

1944
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:29,440
paycheck to paycheck right

1945
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,360
uh they get enriched by being connected

1946
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,000
and they don't feel the prices that we

1947
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,840
have to pay at the pump for things or

1948
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,600
for groceries they

1949
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:41,520
all they do is hear it

1950
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,960
it's like it's like ambient noise

1951
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,120
right um

1952
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,679
they they listen to and they act on

1953
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,120
things that

1954
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,000
affect them that affect

1955
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,800
their constituents you know like if it's

1956
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,400
shutting down a military base in their

1957
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,719
region or a big defense factory they

1958
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,159
don't want that

1959
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,239
they make all the sense in the world

1960
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,560
to move it somewhere else but

1961
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,320
they don't want that

1962
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:11,040
because that's going to cause them pain

1963
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:11,760
so

1964
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:15,040
until you cause enough of them pain

1965
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:16,560
and i'm not talking about

1966
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,400
bodily harm pain i'm talking about you

1967
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,640
know i get it

1968
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,760
um

1969
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,199
so

1970
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,760
back to the environment and it's an it's

1971
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,360
one of the arguments people make they're

1972
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,040
interested in our nukes because they're

1973
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,040
worried about us blowing ourselves up

1974
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:32,880
and i'm like

1975
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,520
there's just an equal as equal amount of

1976
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,920
a chance that they're interested in in

1977
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,199
us blowing up the planet they don't

1978
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,199
really care so much about us

1979
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:42,960
and i was really interested to see

1980
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,520
robert hastings in ross cultart's book

1981
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:46,719
he's like

1982
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,840
trying to send us a message and it was

1983
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,040
kind of like a positive thing they're

1984
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,199
trying to save us now he's like i don't

1985
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,960
know what the message is they could be

1986
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,400
wanting to take over the planet they

1987
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,159
could be wanting to save the planet

1988
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,760
because they have plans after we're gone

1989
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,760
to take over the planet so there's so

1990
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,760
many different ways to take that and i

1991
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,440
know i i think you agree with that we

1992
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,960
don't know why they're shutting down

1993
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,440
nukes or why they're turning on nukes

1994
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,280
you know i think it's related i do think

1995
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,199
it's related to them not wanting to see

1996
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,360
the planet become you know a nuclear

1997
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,560
disaster wasteland but i don't think

1998
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:20,480
i personally just an opinion i don't

1999
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:21,600
think

2000
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:25,679
the planet for whoever's here and i

2001
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:28,000
don't know who's here so

2002
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,280
it's hard to speculate when you don't

2003
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,880
know who's here what they are but that

2004
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:32,560
would be my speculation that it's really

2005
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,189
yeah who knows

2006
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,960
right we can only we can only go off

2007
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:43,040
what we've observed right

2008
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:46,480
right and the observations tell us that

2009
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,030
or at least they're very interested in

2010
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,640
our most advanced

2011
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,239
developments

2012
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:58,560
technologically speaking

2013
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,640
they're really super interested in it

2014
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,640
and the these are the things that we

2015
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,440
know about are only the things that we

2016
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:07,520
that we know about

2017
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,480
i

2018
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:09,679
suspect

2019
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:13,199
that that's just the crust of it

2020
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:14,000
that

2021
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:18,000
ever been

2022
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,120
truly truly nightmarish

2023
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,000
to deal with what we're talking about we

2024
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:25,679
surely surely would not have been

2025
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:27,920
informed about it right and who knows

2026
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,800
what that is we may have a very very

2027
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,080
good reason

2028
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,640
after decades of

2029
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:36,320
if you take my position

2030
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,199
after

2031
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,600
decades of not being able to ignore

2032
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,920
something this compelling in our skies

2033
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,920
and wherever else it's been

2034
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,360
spotted

2035
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:47,280
um

2036
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:50,000
we may have a very very good reason

2037
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,280
for um

2038
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,239
being concerned about

2039
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:57,520
our nukes and our defense capabilities

2040
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,400
you know

2041
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:00,800
they could they could they strip us of

2042
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,000
our defenses and leave another nation

2043
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,840
armed with theirs

2044
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,480
and then could they fly up and down the

2045
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:10,800
borders of one nation or another and

2046
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:14,560
spark an incident and cause a launch

2047
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,880
who knows yeah who knows right you

2048
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,199
if it's true that they've been observed

2049
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:23,360
here for for eons

2050
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,480
um

2051
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:26,560
and really the evidence for that is what

2052
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:27,440
on

2053
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:30,880
in ancient writings

2054
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,520
be it biblical or otherwise

2055
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,159
paintings on cave walls

2056
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:38,560
and other other

2057
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,239
artistic accounts like nuremberg germany

2058
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,280
and other places um

2059
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:46,880
they've been around here for a long long

2060
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:47,920
time

2061
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,239
were they coming here or were they

2062
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,640
coming out from somewhere here you know

2063
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:54,159
have they have they shared this place

2064
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:55,360
with us

2065
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:56,320
um

2066
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,840
do they have a vested interest in the

2067
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,360
health of the planet

2068
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,000
are they more worried about themselves

2069
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,239
than than us

2070
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,159
are we getting in their way

2071
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,199
uh are we polluting their

2072
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:11,120
their their way of living or whatever it

2073
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,719
is who if who knows

2074
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:16,239
but um

2075
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,400
they're not they they're not

2076
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:20,960
like i say it it's implausible to me

2077
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,880
that they would that they could ignore

2078
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:25,199
this for all these years

2079
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,400
and

2080
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:28,000
i firmly believe though i don't have

2081
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,520
proof that they've they've been very

2082
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:31,199
seriously looking at this for a long

2083
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,239
long time

2084
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:33,840
and they could have very very good

2085
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:35,920
reasons for not telling us

2086
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,199
all of the so-called core story

2087
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,520
i am a i don't know the answer to this

2088
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,840
question i do not know the sapphire

2089
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:45,199
project are you aware of that at all

2090
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,640
eric davis and how put off in the

2091
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,480
sapphire project

2092
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,800
no me either since we're talking about

2093
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:52,080
eric davis and i'm going to bring it up

2094
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,280
because we didn't talk about it last

2095
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:55,040
time and you know it's it's a subject

2096
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:01,750
when you first heard about the wilson

2097
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,120
davis leak so last year

2098
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,400
i think it was 2019 it leaked what were

2099
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,080
you what was your opinion of it when you

2100
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,080
first saw that did you were you aware of

2101
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,640
uh grier's story back in 97

2102
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:16,000
where he said

2103
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,199
he briefed

2104
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:19,920
a joint a joint chiefs fella and then

2105
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,000
later on he outed him as admiral wilson

2106
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:23,920
were you aware of that before the before

2107
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,560
the wilson davis league

2108
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,560
i think vaguely i was aware but i don't

2109
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,800
think i put it together but when i read

2110
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:32,640
when i read the the

2111
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:35,120
wilson davis meeting notes or whatever

2112
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:36,800
you call it the wilson davis league

2113
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:38,080
notes

2114
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:39,760
the very first thing that jumped out at

2115
01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:40,640
me

2116
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:41,420
was um

2117
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,800
[Music]

2118
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,800
the notes read

2119
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:46,400
exactly like

2120
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,679
dr eris eric davis speaks today

2121
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,440
and any other time

2122
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:53,679
in history that he has ever been videoed

2123
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:54,880
speaking

2124
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,960
the notes read

2125
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:59,360
in the same vernacular

2126
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,480
uh it's the same way

2127
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,360
he talks i mean it's it was just very

2128
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:07,679
obvious on his face to me no i thought

2129
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,760
the same exact thing and i've read so

2130
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,520
much of his material in messages i'm

2131
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,600
like this is eric you know it's like it

2132
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,040
sounds just like eric even though he

2133
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:17,199
gave me no comment back then but sorry

2134
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,000
to interrupt well uh and then the other

2135
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,840
thing was that i don't know admiral tom

2136
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:24,000
wilson but i know a lot of people that

2137
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:25,120
know him

2138
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,480
i know

2139
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:28,960
two people one that two both of them

2140
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:31,280
worked essentially for him one was his

2141
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,080
executive officer

2142
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,800
in back when they were junior moore jr

2143
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:38,880
and

2144
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,639
having been in the

2145
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:44,239
community

2146
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,760
for 20 something years and seeing

2147
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,600
how

2148
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:52,239
general officers work

2149
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:53,679
and

2150
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,560
organizational leadership how that works

2151
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,600
uh

2152
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,040
and if you look in the notes of what

2153
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,440
he's saying the reasons why he was there

2154
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,360
in the first place

2155
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,280
they all do that and we talked about

2156
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:07,679
this a couple times these leadership

2157
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:10,080
positions uh these these generals these

2158
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,600
admirals that are in charge of these

2159
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,360
agencies

2160
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,120
they may not have a lot of time to go do

2161
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,360
this while they're sitting

2162
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,480
as the director of an agency but

2163
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:22,320
near the end of their term or maybe just

2164
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:23,600
after it

2165
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:26,000
they're still treated like royalty they

2166
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:26,639
are

2167
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:31,679
not they will not drive themselves they

2168
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,320
can they want to most of them do

2169
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,400
not allowed they're treated with all let

2170
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,840
me just drop one second michael just so

2171
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:39,840
people know what michael's referring to

2172
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:42,239
as in the notes it talks about how

2173
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,639
admiral wilson was on a

2174
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:47,360
farewell tour after he had retired from

2175
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,000
the w he was the director of the dia

2176
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,840
and supposedly in the notes he was in

2177
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,000
vegas on this tour

2178
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:56,000
so and that's how davis came to

2179
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,520
encounter him so

2180
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,199
sorry to interrupt just so i know not

2181
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,880
ever yeah thank you for that yeah so so

2182
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,440
it's the plausibility of the reasons

2183
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,000
behind him being in nevada in the first

2184
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:08,320
place being in las vegas he was there to

2185
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,679
meet some people

2186
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,400
shank shake some hands and thank the

2187
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,560
contractors for all the hard work and

2188
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,920
support that they had done at the

2189
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,760
testing range out there at nellis and

2190
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:19,120
other places

2191
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:20,719
and he was making the rounds and they

2192
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,960
they all do it i've been at places when

2193
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,120
it's when they've come through they hand

2194
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,040
out these challenge coins

2195
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,120
uh they come around and meet people and

2196
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:31,440
they they even have a little town hall

2197
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,960
and take questions

2198
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,719
that's the whole reason for being so

2199
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:36,159
there were a lot of things that lined up

2200
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,520
in there number one i kind of knew the

2201
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,120
guy because i knew so many people that

2202
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,280
knew him admiral wilson

2203
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,920
number two it was exceedingly

2204
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,159
probable that the reasons why he was

2205
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,080
there were exactly right

2206
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,320
uh he was on a farewell tour i've seen

2207
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:53,040
how those operate numerous times

2208
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,639
and um and the notes read

2209
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,360
just like eric davis speaks

2210
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,679
so go pick your interview of eric davis

2211
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:03,440
read those notes two or three times kind

2212
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,960
of get it in your mind how it flows and

2213
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:08,960
and then listen to davis speak

2214
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,600
it it's just to me there's just no doubt

2215
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:13,920
he's the author of the notes

2216
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,280
now would he have conjured all that up

2217
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,000
i don't think so because a he's a clear

2218
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,880
professional and his reliability

2219
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,440
and his trust the trust that's placed in

2220
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,760
him for his top-level security clearance

2221
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,520
and the background investigation that

2222
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,000
goes into that that talks to people that

2223
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,360
he knew and people that knew him knew

2224
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,600
and the branches go out from there when

2225
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,760
they're when they're updating that every

2226
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,360
six years

2227
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:43,520
he has been under intense vetting by the

2228
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,440
government ever since he first gained

2229
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,120
his security clearance

2230
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,199
he cannot be in the business

2231
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,639
of lying

2232
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,840
deceiving

2233
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:53,440
or putting out

2234
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,520
publishing anything that's that's

2235
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,679
untoward in any way

2236
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,000
he has got to maintain an impeccable

2237
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:02,560
lifestyle because he will

2238
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:05,920
most likely be taking a polygraph test

2239
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,080
every six years as part of his security

2240
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,920
update

2241
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,159
so you have to live

2242
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,800
and work the straight and narrow

2243
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,880
so you have a person here and eric davis

2244
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:19,040
who's got the very highest credentials

2245
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,480
that are offered

2246
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,480
in this country just about

2247
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,480
with his security clearance and all the

2248
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:25,920
professional

2249
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:27,280
top level

2250
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,239
top shelf vetting that goes into him

2251
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:32,000
you've got the notes that read like he

2252
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,159
speaks every day

2253
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:36,800
and then you've got admiral wilson who's

2254
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,280
apparently in town there in vegas to

2255
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,280
meet and greet the troops and thank them

2256
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,360
for a job well done

2257
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,920
all of that is just so

2258
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,360
common sense

2259
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,040
that um

2260
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:51,600
it makes the story that the notes tell

2261
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,510
makes you kind of you know

2262
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,280
it's like if any one part of that whole

2263
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,639
thing is true then you got to take a

2264
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,040
closer look at the rest of it

2265
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:05,679
well i see a lot of truth in that in in

2266
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,120
those notes

2267
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,880
so why wouldn't the topic of the

2268
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,280
conversation be real

2269
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,520
and the whole nrl document that

2270
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:16,000
allegedly greer brought with him or did

2271
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,600
not bring with him or did bring in it

2272
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:19,360
was a hoax or not a hoax

2273
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:22,639
does that affect your opinion whatsoever

2274
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:25,360
i already look at greer

2275
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,400
there's a lot of

2276
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:28,639
cool stuff he's done like this the

2277
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,520
citizens hearings at the national press

2278
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,000
club and stuff like that that was just

2279
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,760
you know that was the first time i guess

2280
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:37,440
that so many

2281
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,000
uh so many people of such high character

2282
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:43,679
project hearings yes

2283
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,639
yeah

2284
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,560
uh and then all of those series of

2285
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,400
youtube interviews where they they put

2286
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,239
those out there for people to watch you

2287
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:51,840
know you can go see these discrete

2288
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,840
interviews of people right i know that

2289
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,199
was all great but some of the other

2290
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,040
stuff that he has said

2291
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,639
um

2292
01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:00,080
his use of the word i just give him one

2293
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,600
example that just blows me away just

2294
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,960
turns me off every time i hear it his

2295
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,960
use of the word scalar

2296
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,440
scalar technologies scalar this and

2297
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,960
scalar that

2298
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,480
okay i'll give him he could probably

2299
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:12,560
spell the word scalar but does he really

2300
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:14,000
have any clue

2301
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:15,199
um

2302
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,600
it's to me i just there's such a grain

2303
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:19,920
of salt that i apply to

2304
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,440
every to everything he says i do have a

2305
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,960
good appreciation for some of the

2306
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,880
efforts that he has made

2307
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:28,639
in getting this topic pushed to the

2308
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,800
front of people's consciousness

2309
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:32,320
no pun intended

2310
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:33,280
but

2311
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,120
that document

2312
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:37,600
number one you have to ask yourself

2313
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,120
a director of an agency is handed a

2314
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:43,360
highly classified

2315
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,199
very sensitive document by a civilian

2316
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,280
i don't care where he handed it to him i

2317
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,520
don't care if it was inside the pentagon

2318
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,440
or down at starbucks

2319
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,159
you've got a civilian handing you

2320
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,400
a classified document

2321
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,480
the very first thing

2322
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,320
that's going to go through my mind in a

2323
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,239
situation like that is everything i've

2324
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:07,600
been taught about a situation like that

2325
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,560
if it's if you believe it is legitimate

2326
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,440
you seize the document and you work your

2327
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:15,760
damnedest right then and there i don't

2328
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:17,679
care if your wife's having a baby you

2329
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,000
get that document protected and you turn

2330
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,920
it over to security

2331
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,840
right the first question wilson should

2332
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:25,199
have asked is where did you get this

2333
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,639
document

2334
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,719
we don't hear anything about that we

2335
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,960
just hear that oh that's cool

2336
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,400
i'll go look into that thanks for

2337
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:34,400
letting me know

2338
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:37,360
i find that a little bit hard to believe

2339
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,800
the organizations that are listed there

2340
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:42,159
i can't i'm not going to comment on

2341
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:43,679
whether they exist or not because i

2342
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,760
spent a lot of time at the nro myself

2343
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,880
but it

2344
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,159
to me

2345
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,639
for that document to have changed hands

2346
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:55,120
from a civilian uncleared person to a

2347
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:58,159
very highly cleared government official

2348
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,840
whatever the setting was

2349
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:01,600
is just implausible

2350
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:02,480
um

2351
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,960
and that an investigation didn't didn't

2352
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:06,880
get spurred from that

2353
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,480
is also uh implausible

2354
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:13,600
the fact that it has that letterhead

2355
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:16,719
that's u.s air force well

2356
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,120
the nro was born out of air force and

2357
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:23,440
cia

2358
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,960
sort of parallel efforts that were

2359
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,800
ongoing by those two agencies so i can

2360
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,679
believe

2361
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:29,280
that a document would have an air force

2362
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:31,360
letterhead and i can't believe it but it

2363
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:33,520
would have these organizations

2364
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:35,679
that are listed as addressees for that

2365
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:38,320
message down the side

2366
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,520
but

2367
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:41,360
it seems to me for that for that to

2368
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:44,639
suddenly appear outside of a skiff

2369
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:47,360
and appear in a civilian's hands more

2370
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:52,550
from memory

2371
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:55,600
from someone on the inside maybe

2372
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:57,520
because they couldn't just dream these

2373
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,639
organizations up if they were real

2374
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,320
they they're used to seeing official

2375
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,159
record message traffic as it's referred

2376
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:05,679
to memos

2377
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:07,600
directives and things like that coming

2378
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:09,440
out of the agency

2379
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,360
so they would know how they're organized

2380
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:12,960
when they're sent out

2381
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,560
i i've got several nro memoranda that i

2382
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,840
pulled down from the freedom of

2383
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,679
information act stuff from the cia's

2384
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,520
crest website

2385
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:23,440
back during the creation of the nro back

2386
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,960
in the early 60s the memos don't look

2387
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,199
like that one

2388
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:31,040
and some of them are from the nro

2389
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:32,480
security office

2390
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:33,679
so

2391
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,320
i don't know um

2392
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,480
i just i wish i would have known you

2393
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:39,840
last year when i was working on it i

2394
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:42,400
mean i did not put a lot of i did not

2395
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,960
put a lot of

2396
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:46,480
i didn't focus on that document it

2397
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:48,400
didn't affect me but still it would have

2398
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,159
been nice to have you to fall back on

2399
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,000
and ask you about about documents

2400
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:55,600
because i am not a document guy um

2401
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,639
but so yeah uh um

2402
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,560
greer i have the same opinion of greer

2403
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,320
that you do did some great stuff with

2404
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:04,159
the disclosure project but it's like do

2405
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,920
i wish he was not a part of this story

2406
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:08,159
of course i do i wish he would never be

2407
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:10,239
a part of this story and from what i was

2408
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:11,120
told

2409
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:13,760
that whole briefing in april of 97 he

2410
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,280
really did not need to be there which

2411
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,520
tells me yeah most likely looking at it

2412
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:19,600
now hearing things over the past couple

2413
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:20,800
of months

2414
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:23,360
that document probably played zero role

2415
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,320
whatsoever well i i think yeah i think

2416
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:28,639
you can ignore the document

2417
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:30,480
because i think the

2418
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:32,400
the most compelling thing of the two is

2419
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,350
they mention the document

2420
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:41,120
you get enough context from that you

2421
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,400
don't need the document which to me

2422
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,840
like i say the first question you have

2423
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:47,199
to ask is

2424
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:49,600
how did that get outside the facility

2425
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,639
um

2426
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:52,080
yeah they do not mention that they don't

2427
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:53,840
mention that document at all at all it's

2428
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,560
like

2429
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:56,719
i thought he mentioned greer though

2430
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:58,400
he mentioned career he mentions greer a

2431
01:31:03,430 --> 01:30:59,760
few times but he doesn't mention the

2432
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:03,440
document so that's why i guess yeah um

2433
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:04,960
i'm just saying you you kind of have the

2434
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:05,840
whole

2435
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:08,000
shooting match in in the wilson davis

2436
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,440
notes you don't really need that

2437
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,520
document the the you don't really need

2438
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:13,520
the uh the career document

2439
01:31:18,070 --> 01:31:15,199
um

2440
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:18,080
the infighting that i saw recently

2441
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:20,320
with another researcher um

2442
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,679
and you know what i'm talking about i

2443
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:23,360
think it's sort of silly to be arguing

2444
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,400
about

2445
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,400
um

2446
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:29,040
letterhead and you know learn more you

2447
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:30,880
need to learn more about the the

2448
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,280
the genesis of the nro and and then you

2449
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:35,280
can kind of pretty easily understand

2450
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:38,400
that that letterhead could have had

2451
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:40,880
more apt to have a air force logo on it

2452
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,920
than a cia logo because of the

2453
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:45,840
differences in the nature of the two

2454
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:48,320
organizations cia is much more

2455
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:51,360
clandestine much more secretive

2456
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:54,000
in the air force um

2457
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:55,920
you know the nro was put under the

2458
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,320
secretary of the air force originally

2459
01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:00,719
right um so

2460
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:02,000
yeah

2461
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:03,199
i wouldn't focus too much on that

2462
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:04,800
document i mean

2463
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:06,639
there's enough greer there to make me

2464
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,149
bless his heart no yeah yeah i agree um

2465
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,920
here's a question from earlier which you

2466
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:15,120
kind of hinted on because i know you're

2467
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:16,800
open-minded since we don't know what the

2468
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:18,239
heck we're dealing with

2469
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:21,440
based on your observations is there any

2470
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:23,040
reasonable evidence

2471
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:25,280
that non-terrestrial undetectable

2472
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:28,159
sources have assets on the ground among

2473
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,440
us and

2474
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:31,199
for me it's just i've heard stories

2475
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,639
that's all i've heard her story so i

2476
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:34,560
don't really know if that's evidence

2477
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:36,080
what's your take on that

2478
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:37,120
i

2479
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,560
about that

2480
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,400
would be from people like dr david

2481
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:44,480
jacobs

2482
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:45,199
and

2483
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:50,080
he's either retired or he certainly has

2484
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:51,600
stopped doing what he was doing

2485
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,960
research-wise because he came to a

2486
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:56,480
conclusion

2487
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:57,679
and i don't think he liked the

2488
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,159
conclusion he came to

2489
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:02,800
in the conclusion and these are i'm

2490
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,360
paraphrasing but the conclusion was

2491
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:07,679
that all of his patients all of his

2492
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:09,120
subjects

2493
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,470
accurate stories

2494
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,960
they truly sort of like john mack they

2495
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:18,560
really believed

2496
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:22,159
that what had happened to them happened

2497
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:24,560
and according to jacobs

2498
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:27,120
he believes there's you know and i and i

2499
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,960
tend to kind of agree with this he

2500
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:30,800
believes there's something ulterior

2501
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:32,719
going on right

2502
01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:33,920
think about it

2503
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:35,679
and i've heard richard dolan say the

2504
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,040
same thing

2505
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,880
when do these things predominantly show

2506
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:40,800
up when do people predominantly have

2507
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,840
these experiences

2508
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:46,480
it's it's usually in the dead of night

2509
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:47,520
right

2510
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:50,639
these things they're not landing on

2511
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:52,960
my front yard out here

2512
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:55,440
right they are using

2513
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:57,679
signature management

2514
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:00,560
they're coming in they're going out

2515
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:03,760
without being detected for the most part

2516
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:06,320
they are leaving people

2517
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:09,840
uh scarred either mentally or physically

2518
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:11,679
or both

2519
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:13,199
not everyone

2520
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:16,960
believes it's all champagne and

2521
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,800
graffiti

2522
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:20,320
a lot of the people who've had these

2523
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:21,600
experiences

2524
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,560
wish they had never had the experience

2525
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:26,000
um it

2526
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:28,159
and i believe jacob may have used words

2527
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:29,920
to this fact that there's

2528
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,760
there's a covert nature about what

2529
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:33,600
they're doing

2530
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:37,280
appear to be

2531
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:39,600
appeared to be right allegedly

2532
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:42,239
and that based on his research

2533
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:44,480
it was just case closed that

2534
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:47,760
they're here there's been some tinkering

2535
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:50,400
going on they've been

2536
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:52,880
taking fetuses they've been impregnating

2537
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:56,000
women taking fetuses weeks later

2538
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:58,480
women have been going to doctors

2539
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:01,360
verifiably pregnant with ultrasounds and

2540
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:02,639
what have you

2541
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:05,520
and then weeks or months later

2542
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,960
showing back up no signs of pregnancy

2543
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:11,280
no signs of a fetus

2544
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:13,920
but then later some of these same women

2545
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:15,920
are shown

2546
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:22,709
that they maternally feel is is of their

2547
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,440
own body somehow another

2548
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,360
i mean some of that stuff is disturbing

2549
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,199
if you think about it right so what's

2550
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,960
the purpose who knows

2551
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,639
but i believe that's i believe that

2552
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:35,760
those were his conclusions that um

2553
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:37,760
you know he finally he came to the end

2554
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:40,560
of the road he didn't see any need

2555
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:44,080
because so many of these accounts

2556
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,199
were just so similar after hundreds and

2557
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:49,360
hundreds and hundreds or maybe thousands

2558
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,520
of them that he had done over the years

2559
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,520
that the pattern was there

2560
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:55,760
and he wrote his conclusions and sort of

2561
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,880
like

2562
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,480
michael swords

2563
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,239
right right

2564
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,920
just kind of says hey like stanton

2565
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,199
friedman

2566
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,360
the evidence is overwhelming

2567
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,320
yeah and you know i know jacob's went

2568
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:10,480
even further thinking that the hybrids

2569
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,440
were

2570
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:13,520
messaging on

2571
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,520
aol messenger and they were coming after

2572
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,840
him and he's really scared and somebody

2573
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:19,679
who i made friends with uh charlie paris

2574
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:21,360
is working on a documentary related to

2575
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,639
jacob's work

2576
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:25,280
uh hopkins work and max work and it's

2577
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:26,880
more of a darker

2578
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,520
feeling or darker

2579
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:31,600
what's the word it's it's got a more

2580
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,040
darker aspect to it compared to

2581
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,600
the free the freestart you know the free

2582
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,760
um survey it's like an 800 page book

2583
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:41,600
which i have not read yet

2584
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,280
it's that's more of the line along the

2585
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,119
lines as the experience is having a

2586
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:46,800
positive effect on people it's it's

2587
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,560
helping people

2588
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,639
you know it's like a spiritual evolution

2589
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,560
that happens after these experiences and

2590
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,840
and i don't doubt that with a lot of

2591
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:55,360
people have that i don't know if that

2592
01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,719
was the intended

2593
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:58,800
the intended you know outcome or it was

2594
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,040
just a side product of what happened and

2595
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:03,679
it expands their minds um

2596
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:05,679
but i want to go back to wilson davis

2597
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:07,040
for a second because

2598
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:08,960
i really need to go over i i want to

2599
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:11,360
address this v says i'm not comfortable

2600
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,199
calling admiral wilson a liar on the

2601
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,159
word of greer and davis number one

2602
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,560
take out grier that's fine davis has not

2603
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,800
commented on it so that's not a proper

2604
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:23,040
argument what just just so you know i

2605
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,320
personally think

2606
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:26,320
abra wilson is lying but i'm not like

2607
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,400
calling him a liar in a bad way i think

2608
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:30,639
he has to lie just because he has to lie

2609
01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:32,239
because of the program and security

2610
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:34,239
stuff it's not like it's like oh my god

2611
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:36,080
admiral wilson is a liar it's just what

2612
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,320
he has to do do you agree what is he

2613
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:39,760
gonna do

2614
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:42,719
gonna come out and say yeah i found the

2615
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:44,639
program and they have a craft they told

2616
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:48,560
me that we have a craft and uh

2617
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,080
he's got to do

2618
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:52,320
anything within his power

2619
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:54,639
to squelch this

2620
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,520
he's doing exactly what i would do right

2621
01:38:01,510 --> 01:38:00,239
you he cannot i don't care how true it

2622
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:01,520
is

2623
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,480
uh

2624
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,119
he he can't admit to that

2625
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:07,520
there's just no way

2626
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,280
has he told his wife

2627
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:11,360
who knows

2628
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,840
but you know it's just it's

2629
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,600
uh anybody that thinks that you know he

2630
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:19,440
should take one for the team

2631
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:20,719
try that

2632
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:25,840
there's just no way

2633
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,199
chances are all of this will come out

2634
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:33,520
someday if there's something to come out

2635
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:37,600
but i don't see anybody giving up their

2636
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,800
livelihood it's not just their

2637
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:40,159
livelihood

2638
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:42,639
stripping of his rank

2639
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:45,600
and benefits and retirement

2640
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,560
it's very seriously you know the end of

2641
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,159
his life as he knows it you're talking

2642
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,320
about incarceration

2643
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:53,760
going to jail

2644
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,520
for leaking national security

2645
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,280
information right

2646
01:39:02,550 --> 01:38:59,600
who's going to do that

2647
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:02,560
who wants to go to jail

2648
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:03,679
well that's

2649
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:05,360
the question would be well why did he

2650
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,280
risk even telling eric davis you know

2651
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,840
that's what that's a natural

2652
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,440
responsibility why would he even take a

2653
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,199
chance which tells me

2654
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:15,199
and that's speculation on my part some

2655
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,920
part of him wants this story out there

2656
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:19,360
because if that's true and that we have

2657
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,639
an intact craft not made by you know not

2658
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:25,040
made on earth not made by human hands

2659
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:26,719
it's the biggest story history of the

2660
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:28,880
human you know the human right right

2661
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:30,639
it's not like he called him up called up

2662
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,239
eric davis and said hey meet me in las

2663
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,760
vegas i got something i'm just dying to

2664
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,960
tell you

2665
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,960
he he did apparently according to those

2666
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,600
notes some very serious

2667
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,520
these guys are connected people like

2668
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:43,840
like admirals and head of agencies he

2669
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:46,880
did some very serious looking into

2670
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:53,430
and

2671
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:57,040
confidence

2672
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,360
okay he didn't

2673
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:01,920
roger up this information

2674
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,119
on a whim

2675
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:05,040
right he he put some serious thought

2676
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:08,880
into this and was very careful about it

2677
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:13,430
you know whether he wanted the

2678
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:15,920
information ultimately out or not

2679
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:18,159
who knows but maybe he had enough faith

2680
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:19,119
in

2681
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,159
what's referred to as a as a trusted

2682
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:34,880
agent right okay he's dealing with a

2683
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:36,560
trusted

2684
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,520
fellow

2685
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,600
cleared person who understands the

2686
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:41,440
gravity of letting go of that

2687
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:42,639
information

2688
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:45,119
because if eric davis had had those

2689
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:46,960
notes only if those notes had only been

2690
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:50,080
in eric davis's care

2691
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,679
we wouldn't know anything about him

2692
01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:53,119
because there's no way he was going to

2693
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:54,639
leak those

2694
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,709
and from what i understand it was

2695
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,480
totally by

2696
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,880
i don't know happenstance

2697
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,800
maybe the family of edgar mitchell

2698
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:08,800
didn't really realize yeah

2699
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,920
they were going to throw out his

2700
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:11,679
personal ufo stuff and then somebody

2701
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,280
came said no we'll take it and they

2702
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,199
found that and they saw it and

2703
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,520
the rest is history um

2704
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,920
sean asks

2705
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,000
how to how does michael know so much

2706
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,440
about ufos that's my paraphrasing so

2707
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:27,600
did you work on a ufo study or is it

2708
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,679
your own personal research

2709
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:32,080
and thank you sean for the super chat

2710
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:34,800
thank you thank you thank you um

2711
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,080
i never worked on a ufo study but i did

2712
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:40,239
all i can say is when you see something

2713
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:41,920
like i saw

2714
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,639
and you've heard other people say this

2715
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:47,280
um

2716
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:50,159
it it's a it burns like a fire inside

2717
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,520
you

2718
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:53,360
to find out what it was

2719
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,400
so

2720
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:55,920
um

2721
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,560
the first chances i had

2722
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,880
were about a year and a half later when

2723
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:03,440
i got transferred to a site over in the

2724
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:04,880
uk

2725
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,840
that was nro related

2726
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,440
and

2727
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:11,600
trust me

2728
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:14,480
i dug and dug and doug and doug

2729
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:16,159
to try to find out

2730
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,320
if because i have always assumed that

2731
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:19,840
what i saw

2732
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,159
was which was a black triangle that

2733
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,239
directly overflow an aircraft carrier

2734
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:25,920
battle group in broad daylight in the

2735
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,840
persian

2736
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:28,960
gulf um

2737
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,199
i naturally assumed

2738
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,600
because of the lack of reaction

2739
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:35,760
by the by the ships and all of their

2740
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:38,239
capabilities and radar and air defense

2741
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,440
and everything else

2742
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,159
the lack of reaction left me to believe

2743
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,320
that that was one of ours and somebody

2744
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,639
knew that it was going to overfly

2745
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,880
and did nothing about it somebody

2746
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,400
criticized your take i'm not saying well

2747
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,719
there was a reaction there was

2748
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,560
exactly i forget exactly what happened

2749
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,080
there was a reaction they sounded the

2750
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:58,159
horn and that was right

2751
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,159
i find that weird that they sounded the

2752
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,400
horn and broke broke from the uh

2753
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,480
underway replenishment i always found

2754
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,000
that weird

2755
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,679
because i didn't know it was gonna

2756
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,239
happen and i'd been on that ship several

2757
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,560
days i was only only ever on these ships

2758
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,800
for very brief periods of time

2759
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:16,560
in the job that i had

2760
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:17,840
and then when that ship went out of the

2761
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,400
gulf i might go back and fly missions

2762
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,080
off the land off of an airstrip

2763
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,000
somewhere then when another ship came in

2764
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:26,000
i might go out to it so i wasn't

2765
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:27,840
permanent party i wasn't a permanent

2766
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,960
member of those crews on those ships

2767
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,800
but i was on the ships and you hear

2768
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,159
everything that's announced over the

2769
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,800
speaker system called the 1mc

2770
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:38,960
you hear what next evolution they call

2771
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:41,360
it what next event is going to happen

2772
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,960
and i didn't hear

2773
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,719
in the morning's plan of the day or

2774
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,159
didn't read it anywhere in the plan of

2775
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:48,639
the day which is which is printed at the

2776
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:49,520
time

2777
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:52,000
and it is every in every division office

2778
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,840
you can see the scheduled activities you

2779
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,199
can see we're going to do an underway

2780
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,840
replenishment with the uss independence

2781
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:59,119
you can see we're going to do an air

2782
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,880
defense exercise you can see whatever's

2783
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,800
going on you can see the helo flight

2784
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,320
schedule that's coming on and off to the

2785
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,560
ship off of the ship every day

2786
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:08,239
i could have missed it that hey we're

2787
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,760
going to do an emergency breakaway at

2788
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,400
the very end of our underway

2789
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,320
being tied up next to the carrier and

2790
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,239
you know while we're moving and

2791
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,400
i didn't see that i just thought it was

2792
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,560
really odd

2793
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,960
to do it then

2794
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,960
given that it looked like everybody was

2795
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:27,360
kind of like a surprise to everyone

2796
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:29,119
but then again they're supposed to be

2797
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,800
able to do that

2798
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,480
at a moment's notice because that's what

2799
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:35,040
the drill is for the emergency breakaway

2800
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:36,000
drill

2801
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:37,280
is to

2802
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:39,520
rapidly undo all those lines and cables

2803
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:40,880
and hoses that are connecting the ships

2804
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:43,040
as they cruise along side by side and

2805
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,800
quickly get the ships as far apart from

2806
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:47,119
one another as they can so they can

2807
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:49,440
defend themselves if they need to

2808
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:51,040
um and if people don't know what

2809
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,320
michael's talking about go back to the

2810
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,400
last interview he goes through very

2811
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:57,119
in-depth at his citing his experience

2812
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:58,480
back in the gulf

2813
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:59,920
and michael i'm going to cut you off

2814
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:01,119
there i'm going to get to some questions

2815
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,719
sean asked

2816
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:05,040
i'm not exactly sure should we consider

2817
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,639
no part of this

2818
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,480
in an emergency because no one breaks

2819
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,480
their nda

2820
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,239
i think he's talking about wilson davis

2821
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,639
but even overall lou will not break an

2822
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:16,000
nda

2823
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:18,639
i think maybe is there a point where

2824
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:20,560
these guys would break their nda like

2825
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:22,000
you know with greer he had a lot of

2826
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:23,440
witnesses who said screw it i'm going to

2827
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:26,000
tell what i had i signed an agreement

2828
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,760
but security clearance i'm just going to

2829
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:30,320
talk about this this is too important i

2830
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:32,239
mean obviously it's a personal choice i

2831
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:33,360
don't know if we'll ever get to the

2832
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:35,760
point where either davis or wilson or

2833
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:37,119
elizondo

2834
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,560
i don't think lou would lou has been

2835
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:40,400
pretty clear about that

2836
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:42,159
and if i miss him

2837
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:43,440
sean let me know

2838
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,159
if you i mean grier didn't sign greer

2839
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,000
had nothing at stake

2840
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:50,480
although we didn't have his forward

2841
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:53,119
well the witnesses certainly would have

2842
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:54,239
uh

2843
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,080
their security oaths

2844
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:59,199
and which are prosecutable

2845
01:46:01,109 --> 01:46:00,400
okay

2846
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:01,119
so

2847
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:05,920
the first the first thing you have to

2848
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:07,040
ask is

2849
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:08,560
the moment you find one of these

2850
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:12,400
witnesses who's willing to go go to jail

2851
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:14,000
then you might find a guy that's willing

2852
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:18,870
because that is exactly what's going to

2853
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:21,199
happen to them if it's real or you got

2854
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:22,880
the nat kovitz guy who was close to

2855
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:24,159
dying

2856
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,520
telling ross what are you going to do to

2857
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:28,000
me i'm dying that's another situation

2858
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:28,719
well

2859
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:31,040
apparently yeah so

2860
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:34,159
it's i think it's um

2861
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,629
this is a good question from v because

2862
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,800
people always ask me this why was eric

2863
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:45,199
why is eric davis do you have any idea

2864
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:47,199
why eric davis was able to talk he

2865
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,360
doesn't talk about wilson davis

2866
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:51,760
he did meet with wilson but he also

2867
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,000
talks about the crash retrieval program

2868
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:56,880
openly on various interviews and i can't

2869
01:47:02,470 --> 01:46:59,520
figure out why

2870
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,480
why that would be allowed any idea

2871
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,880
no i thought about that myself

2872
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:06,880
he wouldn't do that without first asking

2873
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:11,510
so to me

2874
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:13,119
there to me

2875
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:16,400
the the answer is there's an element of

2876
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:18,000
authorization in the running in the

2877
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:19,440
background here

2878
01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:21,760
for eric davis to talk about that and

2879
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,630
for how put off at the um

2880
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:27,440
[Music]

2881
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:29,679
what was the at the the conference for

2882
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:31,520
the uh scientific

2883
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:34,239
exploration what's that called the scu

2884
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,760
and and also remind me we gotta talk

2885
01:47:39,669 --> 01:47:37,520
about lew's book before you go

2886
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:39,679
scu scientific no that's scientific

2887
01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:41,679
coalition for ufology i'm talking about

2888
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,560
uh

2889
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,080
i'm talking about the one that's put

2890
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:46,800
off's a member of the um

2891
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:49,520
something this uh society for scientific

2892
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,880
exploration the sse

2893
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:53,679
yeah

2894
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:00,719
mean he he went and it was on youtube

2895
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:02,560
that somebody had recorded that where he

2896
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:05,040
was in vegas

2897
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:08,239
talked about the atep findings right

2898
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,400
he before he can do that he had to it

2899
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:11,840
had to go you know you've heard lou talk

2900
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,199
about the dobser dopsr process the

2901
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,000
review process it's the same thing if i

2902
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:20,880
wanted or davis wanted to write a book

2903
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,000
um

2904
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,239
if you have a clearance

2905
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,320
and you're going to publish a book then

2906
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:28,320
you need to especially if it's about

2907
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:30,239
anything to do with defense or national

2908
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,760
security

2909
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,600
even if it's fiction you still have to

2910
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:35,119
have it reviewed

2911
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:36,239
so

2912
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:38,480
you have to get authorization to say the

2913
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,400
things you want to say and you know tom

2914
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:42,560
clancy had talked at length about all

2915
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:43,360
that

2916
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,400
he had to have his stuff reviewed um

2917
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,880
the late tom clancy

2918
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:50,719
and so they go through it and they'll

2919
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,880
you know they'll change happy to glad or

2920
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:54,639
whatever they ch you know change some

2921
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,840
words around

2922
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,080
uh to make sure that it's not

2923
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:01,199
revealing too much and um and you're

2924
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:02,239
good to go

2925
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:05,360
it's about it's all about how you say it

2926
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:06,480
right

2927
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,440
so

2928
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:09,119
both of them i think would have had to

2929
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:11,600
have authorization i know that if i was

2930
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:18,229
there's just no way you speak about it

2931
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,360
without

2932
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,239
getting authorization it's just like

2933
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:25,440
before i went on the unidentified show

2934
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,880
the very first thing i did was call my

2935
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:30,880
security officer

2936
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:33,199
and explain to him exactly give him the

2937
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,880
full context

2938
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:36,880
and find out

2939
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:39,119
what it was if anything i would be

2940
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,560
disallowed

2941
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:42,400
if i didn't already know

2942
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:44,800
uh from speaking about

2943
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:47,599
it's just what you it's what you are

2944
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:50,239
instructed to do when you

2945
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:55,030
here's a there's a question that

2946
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,639
somebody asked earlier

2947
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:58,400
so it was a couple of it was yesterday

2948
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:59,920
there was an announcement that lou is

2949
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,760
writing a book

2950
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:03,360
signed i think he signed with william

2951
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:05,360
morris agency i could be wrong about

2952
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,800
that um

2953
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:08,400
and people are starting to attack him

2954
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,679
now um he's in it for the money and i'm

2955
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,440
like i hope he makes 10 million dollars

2956
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:15,119
he's been the best thing since i've

2957
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,679
gotten into ufology in the early mid 90s

2958
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:19,040
it's like

2959
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:20,880
we have not made anything close to this

2960
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,599
kind of progress since then so

2961
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,679
i i'm assuming you agree

2962
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:27,199
there's no problem i want to read the

2963
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,599
book right now and i don't think he's

2964
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,679
been hiding stuff just to saving i don't

2965
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,360
think he's been saving stuff for a book

2966
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,840
let's put it that way no and who could

2967
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:37,360
who could uh

2968
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,440
give him any ill will i mean let's look

2969
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:42,000
at this he's a retired government

2970
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:43,920
service employee

2971
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:47,199
he's living off of his retirement

2972
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,199
but he's not old enough

2973
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:51,520
to receive social security which is

2974
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,880
probably going to be you know two or

2975
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,199
three thousand dollars a month

2976
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,440
so he's got his retirement which is a

2977
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,800
finite amount

2978
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:00,719
he was working though i have no idea

2979
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:04,080
what his salary was for ttsa

2980
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:04,880
now

2981
01:51:11,589 --> 01:51:10,080
being employed by anyone so what's the

2982
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:11,599
man doing

2983
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:13,040
for income

2984
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,320
okay

2985
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:16,320
so he wants to write a book

2986
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,189
who cares

2987
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,000
right he's done nothing but good for

2988
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:25,840
this subject

2989
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,599
and uh

2990
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:29,280
you know i get pretty fed up with people

2991
01:51:34,189 --> 01:51:31,040
just trying to pick things apart for the

2992
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:34,199
hell of it when they don't you know

2993
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,760
unsubstantiated

2994
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:38,000
without nice great you know sean also

2995
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:39,119
brings up a point he's like he's a

2996
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,639
government contractor too so yeah he

2997
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,280
makes money on that but me personally i

2998
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:45,199
don't have a problem with it i just

2999
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:46,560
don't i mean

3000
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,840
i have never sensed anything

3001
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,599
i've never sensed any lying from lou

3002
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:53,199
i've never sensed i mean i know he can't

3003
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,639
talk about a lot of stuff i know some

3004
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:56,159
stuff's on the borderline and he's not

3005
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,159
clear what he can talk about that's why

3006
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:00,159
the whole ig investigation part of it

3007
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:02,320
may be taking place that's why sheen's

3008
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,520
trying to get him some clearance and

3009
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:05,520
maybe i hope that comes out in the book

3010
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,480
i mean

3011
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,239
i've never sensed

3012
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:10,960
like i said nothing lie lie wise so it's

3013
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:12,080
like

3014
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:14,000
from the very beginning i got the first

3015
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,440
impression i got from lewis like oh my

3016
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:17,280
god this guy's the this is the guy you

3017
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,159
want

3018
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:20,000
as the face of your franchise speaking

3019
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:21,440
in sports terms

3020
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:22,880
this is the guy you want representing

3021
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:25,360
you because i mean he's well spoken he's

3022
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:26,639
smart

3023
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:28,560
uh when he was on 60 minutes i'm like

3024
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,199
please let my family be watching this

3025
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:33,840
they weren't um so real i have nothing

3026
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:35,199
negative to say about louis that doesn't

3027
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:36,159
mean i don't

3028
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,520
i don't agree with everything he says

3029
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,960
but so what

3030
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:40,880
who do you just who do you agree with on

3031
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,800
this planet all the time

3032
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,639
so yeah i have nothing but positive to

3033
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,119
say about him so what is he hoping

3034
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,119
is one angle with the ig that he's

3035
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:51,679
hoping to gain some some sort of uh top

3036
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:54,960
cover to be able to say more publicly

3037
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,760
that's what she in has hinted at um

3038
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,360
because i think there are certain things

3039
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,360
he can talk about but with this we're

3040
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,280
gonna we're gonna revoke your security

3041
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,599
clearance hanging over his head he said

3042
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,840
people were consistently doing that even

3043
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:11,360
up until recently

3044
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,119
that he's he's worried about what he can

3045
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:15,040
say there may be something he feels he

3046
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,880
can say but if they're saying well we're

3047
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:18,400
gonna revoke your security clearance and

3048
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:20,800
then he can't work as a contractor i

3049
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:23,360
think he's worried about that um

3050
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,400
but

3051
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,400
if he gets and people may not like this

3052
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:28,480
but if he gets a a big

3053
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,840
advancement on his book and he's not

3054
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:31,040
worried about that anymore he's not

3055
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:33,040
worried about having to pay bills i

3056
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,639
think he may be able to and obviously

3057
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,000
he's not going to talk about classified

3058
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,480
stuff but stuff that he felt was on the

3059
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,719
edge where they would try to revoke his

3060
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:42,239
security clearance i think he's going to

3061
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:43,840
talk about that stuff i don't know that

3062
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:45,760
but if he's writing a book i think it

3063
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:47,440
would be a lot more or at least more

3064
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,960
than what we've heard now but i don't

3065
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,639
know i'm speculating i'm speculating

3066
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:52,239
michael

3067
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,520
yeah i don't

3068
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:55,760
i don't see it going in much more detail

3069
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:57,199
than what he's already been able to do

3070
01:54:02,470 --> 01:53:58,560
unless he's given

3071
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:04,310
i agree i'm trying to think anything

3072
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:05,599
else you want to cover any what you

3073
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,800
what's your take on what you're dealing

3074
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:08,719
with i'll give my take but my take on

3075
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:10,400
what we're dealing with changes all the

3076
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:11,520
time because i don't know what we're

3077
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,639
dealing with

3078
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:14,639
i have different people who have told me

3079
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,719
their opinions privately

3080
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:18,320
but in the end i don't i still don't

3081
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:19,199
know i don't know if it's one

3082
01:54:21,669 --> 01:54:20,239
intelligence i don't know if it's

3083
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:21,679
multiple intelligences i don't know if

3084
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,239
it's extraterrestrial ultra-terrestrial

3085
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,920
they're here they were here before

3086
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,920
humans i don't know any of that what's

3087
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:29,520
your take

3088
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:30,880
you're currently i don't i don't know

3089
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:34,320
what to think of it i just know that

3090
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,840
based on the

3091
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:38,159
mountains of reports

3092
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:41,119
and and claims and encounters and what

3093
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,080
have you

3094
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:44,560
um there's something very clearly going

3095
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:45,840
on

3096
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:51,199
not be uh

3097
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:53,199
it may not be all that pleasant it may

3098
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:54,639
just be

3099
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:56,480
the reality

3100
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,440
uh

3101
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:59,360
of which we have not been

3102
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:00,239
maybe

3103
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:01,760
accurately

3104
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:05,040
comprised of

3105
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,520
informed educated over the decades who

3106
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:09,520
knows who knows

3107
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:10,960
because uh

3108
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:17,350
but it's is it anywhere in our

3109
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:18,639
history books

3110
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:20,080
i don't think so

3111
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,560
uh we're taught we're taught

3112
01:55:26,709 --> 01:55:24,320
how we got here

3113
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:26,719
yet uh there are people looking at at

3114
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,000
ancient

3115
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:30,239
disappeared civilizations that have

3116
01:55:35,189 --> 01:55:33,119
competing theories

3117
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:35,199
and then you have this phenomenon

3118
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:36,560
that

3119
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:38,960
is to me very clearly real something's

3120
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:41,040
going on

3121
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:43,119
i just don't know what to make of it

3122
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,320
so

3123
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:46,880
i tend to lean on the side of

3124
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:48,800
sort of bracing myself

3125
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:49,599
for

3126
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:50,800
um

3127
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,800
the big news

3128
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:54,639
because um

3129
01:56:02,070 --> 01:56:00,390
it's probably going to have

3130
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:02,080
different aspects to it

3131
01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:03,840
there may be something

3132
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:06,080
really cool about it

3133
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:07,599
but already

3134
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:09,599
already it flies

3135
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:13,040
in the face of what we have been told

3136
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,719
if you want to look at say from a

3137
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:16,880
religious perspective that we are god's

3138
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:22,790
the concept of original sin

3139
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:28,790
did jesus die on the cross for these

3140
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:30,800
others too

3141
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:34,320
um is that story real

3142
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:35,920
uh

3143
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,430
yeah it's um i don't honestly i don't

3144
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,440
enjoy thinking about it because it's

3145
01:56:49,990 --> 01:56:47,360
it's um

3146
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:50,000
to be quite frank about it because i

3147
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,840
think if it was really easy and simple

3148
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:53,360
they would have told us

3149
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:55,599
that i think that both aspects of what

3150
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:57,920
the potential core story is

3151
01:57:02,070 --> 01:57:00,719
and any potential technologies to be

3152
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:02,080
gleaned or they have already been

3153
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:04,880
gleaned both of those things are like

3154
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:07,760
giant padlocks on the door

3155
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:09,920
um

3156
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:11,599
in combination with

3157
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:13,520
all of the actions

3158
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:15,199
good bad or indifferent that have been

3159
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:17,360
taken over the years to suppress this

3160
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:18,400
topic

3161
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:21,599
and to suppress people's beliefs

3162
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,840
and to

3163
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:24,719
ridicule uh

3164
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:26,080
people

3165
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:29,679
them

3166
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:31,440
become hermits and

3167
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:32,800
or worse

3168
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,199
all because they told a story that to

3169
01:57:39,910 --> 01:57:37,520
them was very you know very real and and

3170
01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:39,920
very real in a real way affected their

3171
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:41,280
lives

3172
01:57:44,229 --> 01:57:42,320
um

3173
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:44,239
there is a reason there's a motivation

3174
01:57:46,550 --> 01:57:45,119
for

3175
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:46,560
why they haven't told us and why they

3176
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:48,320
did the things they've done

3177
01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:50,000
that we've that we've read about from

3178
01:57:55,109 --> 01:57:52,719
supposedly credible sources

3179
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:55,119
and maybe that's the three padlocks

3180
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:59,160
that's a great answer and

3181
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:00,239
[Music]

3182
01:58:05,109 --> 01:58:03,679
i agree and the last question we'll take

3183
01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:05,119
would you say

3184
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:07,119
that it's safe to say there's more to

3185
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:09,599
reality than our institutions condone

3186
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:12,080
and my answer is yes for me

3187
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:13,360
i cannot

3188
01:58:17,189 --> 01:58:15,360
come at this topic without addressing

3189
01:58:18,550 --> 01:58:17,199
consciousness and to a lot to everybody

3190
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:18,560
consciousness is something different but

3191
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:20,560
i just think we're more than we're more

3192
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:22,480
than a physical body and i think these

3193
01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:24,000
beings are too and i think they're more

3194
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,480
advanced than us assuming they're even

3195
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,560
if they're physical um

3196
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:30,719
and i think that's where for me the

3197
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:32,400
interest lies once we get past the

3198
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:34,320
masses accepting that something

3199
01:58:37,189 --> 01:58:35,760
something is real

3200
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:37,199
um i don't know if you i know we've

3201
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:38,560
talked about consciousness too we've

3202
01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:40,400
talked about remote viewing

3203
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:43,199
all that stuff for me it's it it's woo

3204
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:44,639
for a lot of people but when i first got

3205
01:58:48,950 --> 01:58:46,239
into this that's what i first got into

3206
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:48,960
it wasn't nuts and bolts i went from

3207
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:51,280
the real extreme metaphysics

3208
01:58:54,390 --> 01:58:52,560
to being

3209
01:58:56,470 --> 01:58:54,400
believer in everything i read to

3210
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:56,480
becoming more discerning and now in the

3211
01:58:59,589 --> 01:58:57,920
middle and wanting to go back more

3212
01:59:00,830 --> 01:58:59,599
towards consciousness

3213
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:00,840
what about

3214
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,360
you yeah well the notion of

3215
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:05,520
consciousness and remote viewing and

3216
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:07,440
things of that nature i mean i've i've

3217
01:59:12,149 --> 01:59:10,080
tried it and and and i believe it's real

3218
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:12,159
i believe in the work that uh russell

3219
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,880
targ and how put off did that's all

3220
01:59:20,790 --> 01:59:16,560
documented fact

3221
01:59:22,149 --> 01:59:20,800
and i've i've tried it um but i

3222
01:59:22,950 --> 01:59:22,159
i'm too

3223
01:59:25,270 --> 01:59:22,960
uh

3224
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:25,280
not only my verbose when i speak but my

3225
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:27,920
my mind is also

3226
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:31,040
not i can't i can't easily um quiet my

3227
01:59:35,030 --> 01:59:33,360
mind as russell targ likes to say but

3228
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,040
i've tried it a number of times and i

3229
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,440
find myself more apt to do some lucid

3230
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:39,599
dreaming and to actually see

3231
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:41,760
or perceive any target that i'm trying

3232
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:43,199
to go after

3233
01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:45,280
uh and i've kind of proven that to

3234
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:49,360
myself uh as a of late actually so it's

3235
01:59:52,709 --> 01:59:50,719
it's harder

3236
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:52,719
apparently not apparently

3237
01:59:58,149 --> 01:59:56,159
from what we read we all have the uh

3238
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:58,159
some sort of innate capability within us

3239
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,400
to do that

3240
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:02,239
some more than others

3241
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,920
but i can just say from my own

3242
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:05,440
experience that

3243
02:00:09,109 --> 02:00:06,719
uh

3244
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:09,119
it's not easy it's not easy for me i

3245
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:12,320
haven't i've had a little success with

3246
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:15,599
that uh with the iphone app esp trainer

3247
02:00:20,149 --> 02:00:17,760
that targ's group developed

3248
02:00:21,109 --> 02:00:20,159
yes i have used that too

3249
02:00:24,550 --> 02:00:21,119
greater

3250
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,560
been successful

3251
02:00:28,709 --> 02:00:26,480
which gave me some hope but but in

3252
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:28,719
trying to go to one of these websites

3253
02:00:36,390 --> 02:00:29,520
and

3254
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:36,400
invariably end up doing another one you

3255
02:00:39,510 --> 02:00:37,920
can't do it at night when you lay down

3256
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:39,520
in bed that's that's not

3257
02:00:43,030 --> 02:00:41,040
because you go to sleep

3258
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:43,040
and those images that pop in your mind

3259
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:44,560
or the beginning of some sort of dream

3260
02:00:48,629 --> 02:00:46,159
state i've kind of confirmed that for

3261
02:00:50,470 --> 02:00:48,639
myself but i've tried it sitting up

3262
02:00:52,149 --> 02:00:50,480
sitting on a sofa

3263
02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:52,159
and um

3264
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:55,520
the same thing happens uh i the images

3265
02:01:00,870 --> 02:00:58,080
that and i sketched them all out i did

3266
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:00,880
my due diligence i tried hard

3267
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:03,760
but everything that i got was some event

3268
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:05,520
i'd been involved in recently more apt

3269
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:07,040
to be like college football related

3270
02:01:11,270 --> 02:01:09,679
because i'd gone to a game

3271
02:01:12,149 --> 02:01:11,280
and that's those are the images that i

3272
02:01:13,990 --> 02:01:12,159
got

3273
02:01:15,510 --> 02:01:14,000
and i was i was so comfortable so you

3274
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:15,520
can't be comfortable you have to be

3275
02:01:18,790 --> 02:01:16,560
alert

3276
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:18,800
you need to have a partner i think uh at

3277
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:20,639
least i do

3278
02:01:25,189 --> 02:01:23,520
and i kind of look forward to you know

3279
02:01:27,189 --> 02:01:25,199
exploring it more because i do think

3280
02:01:28,709 --> 02:01:27,199
there's there's just again the body of

3281
02:01:31,030 --> 02:01:28,719
evidence about it

3282
02:01:32,790 --> 02:01:31,040
about remote viewing and consciousness

3283
02:01:34,550 --> 02:01:32,800
is just too great for there not to be

3284
02:01:36,709 --> 02:01:34,560
something to it so

3285
02:01:38,470 --> 02:01:36,719
yeah i agree and i and i i did enough

3286
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:38,480
when i took a class with lynn buchanan

3287
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:40,560
back in 97 that i'm like oh my god i'm

3288
02:01:44,790 --> 02:01:42,800
like this is not a blockbuster session

3289
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:44,800
but there's enough here for me

3290
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:46,480
to say all right i'm getting aspects of

3291
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:49,520
the target with the sixth sense that

3292
02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:51,360
there's no way i would be able to get

3293
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:52,480
and

3294
02:01:59,669 --> 02:01:57,760
buchanan's like the biggest problem is

3295
02:02:01,430 --> 02:01:59,679
people stop they don't find the time to

3296
02:02:02,870 --> 02:02:01,440
do it he goes you want to get good you

3297
02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:02,880
got to practice practice practice

3298
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:05,440
carnegie hall um

3299
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:06,639
this will be the last question real

3300
02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:07,840
quick do you think the stigma and

3301
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:09,760
ridicule is behind us i don't because if

3302
02:02:14,149 --> 02:02:12,000
we start getting into experiencers it's

3303
02:02:16,390 --> 02:02:14,159
gonna hit hard i think it'll hit really

3304
02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:16,400
hard if we make that next step and i

3305
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:19,360
still think it's nothing bolts yeah i i

3306
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:21,679
think it's uh in in one sense it is

3307
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:23,679
because look at this uh

3308
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:25,360
legislative language we've seen who

3309
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:27,679
would have thought right amazing so so

3310
02:02:30,709 --> 02:02:29,280
the the walls are coming down and from

3311
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:30,719
what i understand there are a lot more

3312
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:32,880
science and academic types that are

3313
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:35,360
looking at this sort of banding together

3314
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:37,920
when i see

3315
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:40,000
the national academy of sciences looking

3316
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:42,080
at this

3317
02:02:45,430 --> 02:02:43,360
publicly

3318
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:45,440
in an open sense and sharing their

3319
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:48,560
results when i see uh public facing

3320
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:50,320
organizations admitting that they're

3321
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:52,000
involved in stuff like this that's when

3322
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:53,360
i think we can all kind of breathe

3323
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:54,719
easier that

3324
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:57,440
that the stigma is uh

3325
02:03:01,430 --> 02:03:00,400
is shedded away when neil what's his

3326
02:03:02,790 --> 02:03:01,440
name

3327
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:02,800
neil uh

3328
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:06,560
the grass type says ladies and gentlemen

3329
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:08,320
there's somebody here and they're not

3330
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:10,159
human when that happens then it's like

3331
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:12,000
oh my god really i don't know if that'll

3332
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:14,000
ever happen but michael thank you so

3333
02:03:16,870 --> 02:03:15,520
much it was great and everybody who

3334
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:16,880
asked questions thank you because we

3335
02:03:19,109 --> 02:03:18,000
can't do it without great great

3336
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:19,119
questions you guys asked some really

3337
02:03:22,709 --> 02:03:20,400
good questions

3338
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:22,719
and we will do this again

3339
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:24,800
thanks sean uh thanks everybody michael

3340
02:03:27,589 --> 02:03:25,760
we'll talk

3341
02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:27,599
yeah thanks everyone thanks joe thank

3342
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:29,520
you i'm really lucky i met you you're

3343
02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:31,040
one of my favorite people in this field

3344
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:32,080
and

3345
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:34,639
no likewise yeah likewise i've enjoyed

3346
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:35,840
our company

3347
02:03:39,189 --> 02:03:37,760
looking forward to the next time you too

3348
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:39,199
talk soon see you later see you

3349
02:03:44,709 --> 02:03:40,320
everybody

3350
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:46,390
and i will start doing more of these

3351
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:47,840
with just my twitter stuff because i

3352
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,840
know there's people on youtube thanks

3353
02:03:54,069 --> 02:03:51,679
rodrigo uh people on youtube that don't

3354
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:54,079
go on twitter and they said that i need

3355
02:03:56,790 --> 02:03:55,679
to do something for them so i'll just go

3356
02:03:58,229 --> 02:03:56,800
on my twitter and put it up and we'll

3357
02:04:00,709 --> 02:03:58,239
just go through it

3358
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:00,719
and i'll add my long comments and

3359
02:04:05,669 --> 02:04:03,520
opinions and as i'm apt to do

3360
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:05,679
all right guys i gotta go and it was

3361
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:06,880
good

3362
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:08,239
it's been a while since i've been on